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1 year ago  ::  Jun 19, 2012 - 3:21AM #11
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Jun 18, 2012 -- 1:18PM, Escef wrote:

Jun 18, 2012 -- 10:59AM, MadAdmiral wrote:

On the Hunted Ghoul, the card is completely unplayable.




I had one with a Predator's Gambit deal the lion's share of the damage to an opponent last week. It's a bad card, yes. But unplayable? I wouldn't go quite that far. In fact, it is the only 1 drop black creature in the set. It's a horrible excuse for an aggro card. But it fits.




The Ghoul is unplayable period. I would always play a basic land over it, and would probably splash almost any other non-unplayable card rather than play it. If you had a Predator's Gambit on one and won its because your opponent either kept a bad hand, or drew bad, or played bad, or had a bad deck, not because its playable. Any other creature that costed 1 or 2 that was on the fringe of playability would have been better in that scenario.

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1 year ago  ::  Jun 19, 2012 - 4:16AM #12
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The ghoul can be used to include a non-zombie creature in your deck if you run Call to the grave .

So I would say it's usually bad, but playable.
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1 year ago  ::  Jun 19, 2012 - 6:17AM #13
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Jun 19, 2012 -- 4:16AM, Beniwiwi wrote:

The ghoul can be used to include a non-zombie creature in your deck if you run Call to the grave .

So I would say it's usually bad, but playable.




Is this before of after you get DQ'd for having a core set card in your AVR draft deck?

Also, we're saying it's unplayable in limited and you're saying it's playable in constructed? Yeesh. 

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1 year ago  ::  Jun 19, 2012 - 7:20AM #14
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Jun 19, 2012 -- 3:21AM, Ffancrzy wrote:

Jun 18, 2012 -- 1:18PM, Escef wrote:

Jun 18, 2012 -- 10:59AM, MadAdmiral wrote:

On the Hunted Ghoul, the card is completely unplayable.




I had one with a Predator's Gambit deal the lion's share of the damage to an opponent last week. It's a bad card, yes. But unplayable? I wouldn't go quite that far. In fact, it is the only 1 drop black creature in the set. It's a horrible excuse for an aggro card. But it fits.




The Ghoul is unplayable period. I would always play a basic land over it, and would probably splash almost any other non-unplayable card rather than play it. If you had a Predator's Gambit on one and won its because your opponent either kept a bad hand, or drew bad, or played bad, or had a bad deck, not because its playable. Any other creature that costed 1 or 2 that was on the fringe of playability would have been better in that scenario.




I've done that too, and it was terrible.  And I had a terrible deck as well.  If I had any other early game cards other than the Ghoul or had anything I wanted to splash for, I wouldn't have played the Ghoul.

@OP:  Something else to note about the term "playable" is that it varies greatly by the format.  For example, Innistrad/Dark Ascension Limited had a lot of very high quality cards, so there were a lot more playables.  In AVR Limited, the cards are a lot worse, resulting in a lot of cards that are called "unplayable" yet make a lot of decks.  A great example of this is how Young Wolf was borderline unplayable in INN/DKA, yet Butcher Ghoul is a decently high pick for black decks in AVR.

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13 months ago  ::  Jun 20, 2012 - 1:09AM #15
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Jun 19, 2012 -- 7:20AM, MadAdmiral wrote:

Jun 19, 2012 -- 3:21AM, Ffancrzy wrote:

Jun 18, 2012 -- 1:18PM, Escef wrote:

Jun 18, 2012 -- 10:59AM, MadAdmiral wrote:

On the Hunted Ghoul, the card is completely unplayable.




I had one with a Predator's Gambit deal the lion's share of the damage to an opponent last week. It's a bad card, yes. But unplayable? I wouldn't go quite that far. In fact, it is the only 1 drop black creature in the set. It's a horrible excuse for an aggro card. But it fits.




The Ghoul is unplayable period. I would always play a basic land over it, and would probably splash almost any other non-unplayable card rather than play it. If you had a Predator's Gambit on one and won its because your opponent either kept a bad hand, or drew bad, or played bad, or had a bad deck, not because its playable. Any other creature that costed 1 or 2 that was on the fringe of playability would have been better in that scenario.




I've done that too, and it was terrible.  And I had a terrible deck as well.  If I had any other early game cards other than the Ghoul or had anything I wanted to splash for, I wouldn't have played the Ghoul.

@OP:  Something else to note about the term "playable" is that it varies greatly by the format.  For example, Innistrad/Dark Ascension Limited had a lot of very high quality cards, so there were a lot more playables.  In AVR Limited, the cards are a lot worse, resulting in a lot of cards that are called "unplayable" yet make a lot of decks.  A great example of this is how Young Wolf was borderline unplayable in INN/DKA, yet Butcher Ghoul is a decently high pick for black decks in AVR.




You pritty much stole the words out of my mouth, the Young Wolf vs Butcher Ghoul is a great comparison.

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