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12 months ago ::
Jun 21, 2012 - 11:36AM
#31
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Date Joined:
Oct 13, 2010
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I've never been a big fan of Nested Ghoul. Too expensive for a 4/2 that'll pretty much die to anything. Giving a 2/2 after that doesn't make up for it in my opinion. Makes me miss Moan of the Unhallowed  if anything. EDIT: Combos with Pestilence Demon  a little bit though. Not sure if there are other self inflicting damage sources though. Crippling Blight is okay at times (depends on the match up), but I've finally cut both the more I continued unlocking. I like Bloodhunter Bat the most here, but I think it also finally hit the chopping block as I'm nearing full completion of the deck unlocks.
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12 months ago ::
Jun 21, 2012 - 11:49AM
#32
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Date Joined:
Jul 19, 2009
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Are you keeping 4x Lil's shade plus obviously Nantuko Shade  ? Dread Warlock  ? How are your bombs looking? Halo Hunter  is just to well costed to not include. Really not sure on all the 7-9 cmc cards. You would have to have all the fetch shades for sure. My head is going to explode.
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12 months ago ::
Jun 21, 2012 - 12:12PM
#33
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Date Joined:
Oct 13, 2010
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Yeah, I'm a huge fan of 4x Liliana's Shade  , but I have been considering dropping to 3 copies. Fairly common for me to rack up a ton of swamps. Running Nantuko Shade as well as he's generally useful. No Dread Warlock though, too fragile for what I want. Bombs consist of Rune-Scarred Demon  and Griselbrand  as my main two. Avatar of Woe  is I think my number three (besides Corrupt  ), but I think Reiver Demon  or Pestilence Demon would be acceptable here as well. I'm not sure how I feel about going into matches blind with the Reiver Demon though. Be annoying to see him in the black match ups. I'm pretty content with three of the above, so I think I have another slot open for either Nightmare  or Xathrid Gorgon  , maybe both. I haven't decided which I really prefer, but I might be leaning towards the nightmare. Solid beater, scales with the swamp hoarding, and "immune" to most creature steal. Turning everything into walls with the Gorgon has its uses though. Some games I just couldn't find an opening so she just stalled while I chipped away with Underworld Dreams  . I'm not sure how I should feel about Veilborn Ghoul  . He's seems really nice as a recurring damage dealer and was pretty key in some of my unlocking victories. Can't block doesn't sit right with me though. Also makes me wish there was a sideboard option now, as I like putting him in for the Jace match up. Can do it offline obviously, but I don't know if I should consider him for online purposes.
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12 months ago ::
Jun 21, 2012 - 12:38PM
#34
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Date Joined:
Jul 19, 2009
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I think I'm going to stick with Pest Demon over Reiver as it's probably more consistently dangereous. I'll throw a Warlock in over a Underworld Dreams. The Gorgan just has too much flavor not to include, not to mention it's actually really good. Avatar seems like a must. Griselbrand is boss. Veilborn not being able to block is just to much for me, which is why I asked about the Nested Ghoul? Might work out better with our type of deck. Nightmare along with Commander Greven il-Vec  hold a soft spot for me. They were the very first rares I ever physically purchased.... a long time ago. So they get included if they are available. Wish we had a another Mire's Toll  , Corrupt and a couple Bloodgift Demon  's. Would also have liked to see a Phyrexian Obliterator  and Tragic Slip  !
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12 months ago ::
Jun 21, 2012 - 12:46PM
#35
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Date Joined:
Jan 31, 2010
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what are ppl's deck list for this deck? I usually play 4player or 3 player so i'm trying to build the deck around that. Any takers care to share their deck list?
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12 months ago ::
Jun 22, 2012 - 8:37AM
#36
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Date Joined:
Apr 12, 2009
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can i just say i love this deck so much ive been waiting for a proper black deck. Black isnt about just zombies or just vampires, Black is power and lots of it, want to draw cards? black does it, big creatures? got it, removal? why not, life gain? good idea! spash of mill\discard? add that flavor! bring things out of graveyards, now were having fun yea i might loose some limbs on the way but its the price we pay :D
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12 months ago ::
Jun 22, 2012 - 11:51AM
#37
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Date Joined:
Jun 22, 2012
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My full decklist with a solid winrate so far is as follows:
Crippling Blight x2
Innocent Blood x2
Mire's Toll x1
Exsanguinate x2
Nantuko Shade x1
Sign in Blood x2
Infest x1
Last Kiss x1
Liliana's Specter x2
Murder x4
Underworld Dreams x2
Vampire Nighthawk x1
Warpath Ghoul x1
Befoul x2
Bloodhunter Bat x2
Mutilate x1
Nekrataal x1
Tendrils of Corruption x1
Halo Hunter x1
Rise From the Grave x1
Corrupt x1
Rune-Scarred Demon x1
Griselbrand x1
Pestilence Demon x1
-------Explanation----------
Fume Spitter and Blister Beetle don't do enough to justify inclusion. You have plenty of removal already.
Dread Warlock is interesting, but I dislike the type exclusion.
I run a single Warpath Ghoul due to it's low cost and decent bulk.
Icy Manipulator feels too slow, and out of place.
Liliana's Shade is a high cost low efficiency creature. Not worth any slots in my opinion.
Incrimental Blight can be really useful against the mono white soldier pile, but generally is too high of a CMC.
Nightwing Shade is a worse Liliana's Specter.
I only run a single Rise from the Grave, as it is a high cost spell that can be useful in game closing, but not a core card.
Veilborn Ghoul isn't a game winning card, and can't block.
Nightmare lacks the utility of the other Ubers here.
Nightmare Incursion is really good, but with that much mana, I would prefer to have a game winning card.
Public Execution is more removal than you need.
Xathrid Gorgon isn't a game winner.
Avatar of Woe is AMAZING, but feels worse than the other ubers.
Reiver Demon has less overall utility than Pestilence Demon, especially against the popular soldiers and goblins.
Plague Wind costs a lot. :S
I run BOTH Underworld Dreams, as it is almost instant victory against Mono Blue Mill, as well as providing a win condition during games that drag out.
Corrupt and Exsanguinate are two other win condition cards, and nearly always what I grab with Ruin-Scarred Demon.
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12 months ago ::
Jun 22, 2012 - 12:59PM
#38
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Date Joined:
Apr 12, 2009
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12 months ago ::
Jun 22, 2012 - 1:01PM
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12 months ago ::
Jun 22, 2012 - 1:04PM
#40
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Date Joined:
Oct 13, 2010
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It's not that hard to reach that kind of late game when running all copies of Liliana's Shade. Just need to use the removal wisely and hope for the cheaper mass removal against faster decks.
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having so much fun with this and so far only lost around 5% of my matches
