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12 months ago  ::  Jun 13, 2012 - 3:45PM #1
KaneR
Date Joined: Apr 29, 2010
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I'm not really good to explain things, so I will state what happened.

I have three 4/4 angel tokens from Entreat the Angels .  My opponent has 2 Birds of Paradise and an Avacyn's Pilgrim , as well as an Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite .  Beginning of my turn, I miracle a  Thunderous Wrath on the Elesh, and then cast a  Slagstorm on creatures, effectively killing the Elesh, and killing the Birds and Pilgrim, since they are now respectively 0/1 and 1/1.  Question is, do the engel tokens die as well, since they would become 4/4s again?
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12 months ago  ::  Jun 13, 2012 - 3:47PM #2
Enigma256
Date Joined: Jul 28, 2010
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they'd die
at the time SBA are checked they are 2/2 with 3 damage marked on it, they die at the same time as Elesh
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12 months ago  ::  Jun 13, 2012 - 4:34PM #3
2goth4U
Date Joined: Oct 29, 2007
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You: 3x 2/2 angel tokens.
Opponent: 2x BoP (2/3),  1x Avacyn's Pilgrim (3/3), 1x Elesh (4/7)

You cast Thunderous Wrath targeting Elesh. Marking 5 damage on it.
You cast Slagstorm dealing 3 damage to all creatures.
Each creature has 3 damage marked except Elesh which has 8.
SBA's check and see seven lethally damaged creatures and destroys them all.

Now if your opponent had a Runeclaw Bear ...
It would have been a 4/4 with 3 damage marked on it and would have survived the first SBA check, but as soon as Elesh leaves the Bear loses the buff and becomes a 2/2 with 3 marked damage and SBA's check again and destroy it.

Your Angels would have had to have been 4/4 after applying Elesh's -2/-2 to have survived (ie. 6/6's before it applied)
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