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Flag Garmichael June 12, 2012 5:39 PM PDT
This thread is for discussion of this week's Building on a Budget, which goes live Wednesday morning on magicthegathering.com.
Flag EternalLurker June 12, 2012 9:18 PM PDT
This article, especially the line about Primeval Titan being hard for Odric to beat, makes it seem like Jacob completely missed the part where Odric can simply make your board unblockable too. o_O
Flag Leo-tech June 12, 2012 9:27 PM PDT
So tokens are wanting to be a constructed nightmare...
Flag Blarghy June 12, 2012 9:27 PM PDT
Yeah, I was wondering why no mention of the fact was made that Odric will often read "Your creatures are unblockable."
Flag Gobias June 12, 2012 10:14 PM PDT
More like Clooney, Master Tactician.
(I'm guessing he hails from Innistrad, judging by his sword...)
Flag Tekkahedron June 12, 2012 10:48 PM PDT


As if there weren't enough token decks in my group...
Flag RageMage June 12, 2012 11:07 PM PDT

Jun 12, 2012 -- 10:14PM, Gobias wrote:

More like Clooney, Master Tactician.
(I'm guessing he hails from Innistrad, judging by his sword...)




There's a lot of stuff that looks like it's being pulled from Innistrad/Ravnica. Maybe it's a new theme, the core set coming out to reflect the sets it's in Standard with?

Though, that sword is freaking sweet. 

Flag DeluxeTea June 13, 2012 12:02 AM PDT
Could be a possible replacement for Hero of Bladehold .
Flag watto June 13, 2012 1:33 AM PDT

Jun 12, 2012 -- 9:27PM, Blarghy wrote:

Yeah, I was wondering why no mention of the fact was made that Odric will often read "Your creatures are unblockable."




pretty much this...

I'm always amazed how they don't seem to know what the cards do...this isn't going to be fun it kills people !!

Flag mooch360 June 13, 2012 3:29 AM PDT
So are Odric and the crusader left over Innistrad art, or what?
Flag Mazca June 13, 2012 3:30 AM PDT

Jun 13, 2012 -- 1:33AM, watto wrote:

Jun 12, 2012 -- 9:27PM, Blarghy wrote:

Yeah, I was wondering why no mention of the fact was made that Odric will often read "Your creatures are unblockable."




pretty much this...

I'm always amazed how they don't seem to know what the cards do...this isn't going to be fun it kills people !!




Yes, that was my thought too. It's certainly stronger in its printed form as an aggressive creature, as it's essentially giving white aggro decks access to a fairly powerful ability to push damage through.

But from a "creating cool combat interactions" point of view, I'd have preferred some kind of one-sided Invasion Plans sort of thing. 

Flag Dragon_Nut June 13, 2012 5:21 AM PDT
Yeah, in my experience Master Warcraft generally leads to approximately "Your creatures are unblockable this turn" and this is approximately the same thing. Except you can use Master Warcraft on an opponent's turn so that in a multiplayer game you can cause terrible terrible things to happen.
Flag Torpesh June 13, 2012 6:31 AM PDT
I agree that this card will often just be "Your creatures are unblockable this turn", although it does have some added utility for killing a non-combat creature that can't tap at instant speed. Unfortunately, most "non-combat" creatures are mana producers, which just means that they'll tap pin response. I suppose you could kill a Blood Artist if you really neede to, but if you're attacking with 4 creatures (one of which has 3 power) you're probably just swinging for the kill.

The artwork on Odric, Master Tactician is pretty sweet. The artwork on Crusader of Odric ... not so much.
Flag TobyornotToby June 13, 2012 7:25 AM PDT

Jun 13, 2012 -- 5:21AM, Dragon_Nut wrote:

Yeah, in my experience Master Warcraft generally leads to approximately "Your creatures are unblockable this turn" and this is approximately the same thing. Except you can use Master Warcraft on an opponent's turn so that in a multiplayer game you can cause terrible terrible things to happen.




Not really, as the controller of the attackers still chooses who to attack =(

Flag Senyuno June 13, 2012 8:32 AM PDT

Give him a reasonable army of Squirrels, Knights, and Clerics and he'll find a way to beat a weyr of dragons.



Hey, I now know of the existence of Dragonriders of Pern, thanks for that Jacob.

This guy seems arguably better than Predatory Rampage!


Jun 13, 2012 -- 3:29AM, mooch360 wrote:

So are Odric and the crusader left over Innistrad art, or what?



Core Sets break the continuity of the game. They have no story, there are just made up of players from many different planes from many different times (always look at flavor text closer to notice it references a place you've never heard of). Most importantly, Core Sets are representations of the standard format they are wedged between (so they give hints about the future set, as well).


Jun 13, 2012 -- 7:25AM, TobyornotToby wrote:

Jun 13, 2012 -- 5:21AM, Dragon_Nut wrote:

Yeah, in my experience Master Warcraft generally leads to approximately "Your creatures are unblockable this turn" and this is approximately the same thing. Except you can use Master Warcraft on an opponent's turn so that in a multiplayer game you can cause terrible terrible things to happen.


 

Not really, as the controller of the attackers still chooses who to attack =(



"You choose which creatures attack this turn." But it is true that if they want, they don't have to attack the Tamiyo at 8 counters if they don't want to.

Flag Dragon_Nut June 13, 2012 8:56 AM PDT

Jun 13, 2012 -- 7:25AM, TobyornotToby wrote:

Jun 13, 2012 -- 5:21AM, Dragon_Nut wrote:

Yeah, in my experience Master Warcraft generally leads to approximately "Your creatures are unblockable this turn" and this is approximately the same thing. Except you can use Master Warcraft on an opponent's turn so that in a multiplayer game you can cause terrible terrible things to happen.




Not really, as the controller of the attackers still chooses who to attack =(



Eh. In my playgroup it's a houserule that the person casting it also chooses who the creates attack. And by "it's a houserule" I mean "Nobody had noticed that before"

Flag Negated June 13, 2012 10:00 AM PDT
Anyone else think that they're trying to make soldier tribal relevant? I.E. Captain of the Watch ?
Flag Toes_of_Krosa June 13, 2012 10:49 AM PDT

Jun 13, 2012 -- 10:00AM, Negated wrote:

Anyone else think that they're trying to make soldier tribal relevant? I.E. Captain of the Watch ?




Talk about a one-two punch! Those two cards together is basically game! With the crusader, it's 19 damage assuming there is nothing else attacking and there is no pumping happening. That might just be powerful enough to merit actually playing  Captain of the Watch !

Flag Dragon_Nut June 13, 2012 11:08 AM PDT

Jun 13, 2012 -- 10:49AM, Toes_of_Krosa wrote:

Jun 13, 2012 -- 10:00AM, Negated wrote:

Anyone else think that they're trying to make soldier tribal relevant? I.E. Captain of the Watch ?




Talk about a one-two punch! Those two cards together is basically game! With the crusader, it's 19 damage assuming there is nothing else attacking and there is no pumping happening. That might just be powerful enough to merit actually playing  Captain of the Watch !



Alright, let's talk about a one-two punch: You're relying on a four mana creature and a six mana creature both A)Hitting the battlefield and B)Attacking (Along with two other friends). If you can manage that, you're basically winning the game anyways.

Flag Gobias June 13, 2012 4:47 PM PDT
I didn't get to read the article this morning...I really like the art for the Crusader.

Flag Leo-tech June 13, 2012 7:44 PM PDT
Odric's sword is SICK!
Flag Axelle June 13, 2012 9:43 PM PDT
The deck really feels like it should have Champion of the Parish
Flag mandarbshadar June 14, 2012 4:00 PM PDT
Why is Oblivion Ring a safer choice than Revoke Existance ???    I would think that Revoke Existance is better since it is cheaper, and once it's successfully cast, the target is gone forever exiled.  With Oblivion Ring , any disenchant will bring back the exile card.   Then you have to hope that it's not a Titan with a comes into play ability.....


Thanks.......was it a typo maybe? or have I missed something?
Flag Blarghy June 14, 2012 8:15 PM PDT

Jun 14, 2012 -- 4:00PM, mandarbshadar wrote:

Why is Oblivion Ring a safer choice than Revoke Existance ???    I would think that Revoke Existance is better since it is cheaper, and once it's successfully cast, the target is gone forever exiled.  With Oblivion Ring , any disenchant will bring back the exile card.   Then you have to hope that it's not a Titan with a comes into play ability.....


Thanks.......was it a typo maybe? or have I missed something?





Because  Oblivion Ring works on all non-land permanents, while Revoke Existence  only works on artifacts and enchantments.  For main deck, a  Revoke Existence will often rot in your hand while you're getting your face punched in by a creature, while Oblivion Ring can take almost anything out.  Its simply more likely that you'll face threats that the Oblivion Ring can deal with (however imperfectly), than the threats that the Revoke Existence can deal with (however perfectly).

Flag Sidneyious June 15, 2012 6:01 AM PDT

Jun 12, 2012 -- 11:07PM, RageMage wrote:

Jun 12, 2012 -- 10:14PM, Gobias wrote:

More like Clooney, Master Tactician.
(I'm guessing he hails from Innistrad, judging by his sword...)




There's a lot of stuff that looks like it's being pulled from Innistrad/Ravnica. Maybe it's a new theme, the core set coming out to reflect the sets it's in Standard with?

Though, that sword is freaking sweet. 




Ive seen that on more and more cards now that you mentioned it, its on the */* chicks hat.

Also they are one weapon away from it being the renaissance era, another core set that is unimpressive.

Flag greg9381 June 15, 2012 7:09 PM PDT

Jun 14, 2012 -- 8:15PM, Blarghy wrote:

Jun 14, 2012 -- 4:00PM, mandarbshadar wrote:

Why is Oblivion Ring a safer choice than Revoke Existance ???    I would think that Revoke Existance is better since it is cheaper, and once it's successfully cast, the target is gone forever exiled.  With Oblivion Ring , any disenchant will bring back the exile card.   Then you have to hope that it's not a Titan with a comes into play ability.....


Thanks.......was it a typo maybe? or have I missed something?





Because  Oblivion Ring works on all non-land permanents, while Revoke Existence  only works on artifacts and enchantments.  For main deck, a  Revoke Existence will often rot in your hand while you're getting your face punched in by a creature, while Oblivion Ring can take almost anything out.  Its simply more likely that you'll face threats that the Oblivion Ring can deal with (however imperfectly), than the threats that the Revoke Existence can deal with (however perfectly).




Yeah, the ability to take out creatures and planeswalkers is pretty huge.

Flag mandarbshadar June 16, 2012 3:32 PM PDT
Thank you Blarghy, Greg,


I suppose that I underestimated the necessity to taking out creatuers/planeswalkers....I was thinking that with Odric taking our opponents non-mana making creatures out of the game, and gimping the mana-creatures, it wouldn't be used much for that and was placed in the deck specifically for sword-hate.  

But I suppose, extra utilities helps prevent us from holding dead cards....
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