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12 months ago ::
Jun 11, 2012 - 1:17AM
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I have Phyrexian Metamorph  on Runeclaw Bear  and I cast Clone  on the metamorph. Will it be an original Bear or an Artifact Bear?
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12 months ago ::
Jun 11, 2012 - 1:21AM
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Date Joined:
May 15, 2010
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Copy effects are included in the copiable text of a permanent. The artifactness will be picked up by Clone.
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12 months ago ::
Jun 11, 2012 - 1:22AM
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Jan 24, 2011
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It will be an Artifact Creature - Bear. 706.2. (...) The "copiable values" are the values derived from the text printed on the object (that text being name, mana cost, color indicator, card type, subtype, supertype, expansion symbol, rules text, power, toughness, and/or loyalty), as modified by other copy effects, by "as . . . enters the battlefield" and "as . . . is turned face up" abilities that set characteristics, and by abilities that caused the object to be face down. Other effects (including type-changing and text-changing effects), status, and counters are not copied.
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12 months ago ::
Jun 11, 2012 - 1:22AM
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Oct 23, 2010
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I have Phyrexian Metamorph on Runeclaw Bear and I cast Clone on the metamorph. Will it be an original Bear or an Artifact Bear?
Artifact Positive- You're copying the state of the Metamorph, not the bear.
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12 months ago ::
Jun 11, 2012 - 1:30AM
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It will be an Artifact Creature - Bear.
706.2. (...) The "copiable values" are the values derived from the text printed on the object (that text being name, mana cost, color indicator, card type, subtype, supertype, expansion symbol, rules text, power, toughness, and/or loyalty), as modified by other copy effects, by "as . . . enters the battlefield" and "as . . . is turned face up" abilities that set characteristics, and by abilities that caused the object to be face down. Other effects (including type-changing and text-changing effects), status, and counters are not copied.
Ah this is what confused me I think. The artifact part is part of the copy effect because it's one ability on the Metamorph?
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12 months ago ::
Jun 11, 2012 - 1:32AM
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Date Joined:
May 15, 2010
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It will be an Artifact Creature - Bear.
706.2. (...) The "copiable values" are the values derived from the text printed on the object (that text being name, mana cost, color indicator, card type, subtype, supertype, expansion symbol, rules text, power, toughness, and/or loyalty), as modified by other copy effects, by "as . . . enters the battlefield" and "as . . . is turned face up" abilities that set characteristics, and by abilities that caused the object to be face down. Other effects (including type-changing and text-changing effects), status, and counters are not copied.
Ah this is what confused me I think. The artifact part is part of the copy effect because it's one ability on the Metamorph?
Copy effects are explicitly listed in the rule. Note "as modified by other copy effects". Any type-changing or ability-adding that part of a copy effect is copiable. For example, a Clone of a Phantasmal IMage  will be an Illusion with the illusory ability.
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12 months ago ::
Jun 11, 2012 - 1:50AM
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Yeah I thought 'copy effects' referred to just the copying itself and not any additional modifiers =)
Thanks all!
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12 months ago ::
Jun 11, 2012 - 5:04AM
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Artifact Positive- You're copying the state of the Metamorph, not the bear.
this is misleading
it has nothing to do with a state
eg. a Clone copying a Runeclaw Bear that is an artifact because of Liquimetal Coating  would not be an artifact.
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12 months ago ::
Jun 11, 2012 - 6:48AM
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May 10, 2012
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Resuming, Clone copy the object created by a specific card (in this case, Phyrexian Metamorph ) and not the card, right?
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12 months ago ::
Jun 11, 2012 - 6:55AM
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Jul 28, 2010
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right you can't choose another creature to copy if you Clone a Phyrexian Metamorph , you copy whatever the Morph is currently copying
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