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1 year ago  ::  Jun 13, 2012 - 5:23AM #21
drmdzh
Date Joined: Sep 16, 2007
Posts: 173
Citanul Flute is a good idea, it was in an early card list. Now that I have less draw and tutor, it's probably worth putting back.

I already have Door of Destinies. I used to use it in a rogue deck, I'll see how it works. 
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1 year ago  ::  Jun 13, 2012 - 10:26AM #22
OrangeCases
Date Joined: Jun 28, 2006
Posts: 120
It's not as good for an ally deck since you can't recur or copy it, but white has its own Kazuul Warlord .
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1 year ago  ::  Jun 13, 2012 - 2:51PM #23
MRHblue
Date Joined: Jun 14, 2011
Posts: 932
That is a good suggestion, thanks!
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1 year ago  ::  Jun 15, 2012 - 5:29AM #24
drmdzh
Date Joined: Sep 16, 2007
Posts: 173

FINAL LIST (until I playtest it)

[deck = Allies]
Commander
1 x Karador, Ghost Chieftain
 
Creatures
 
1 x Planar Guide
1 x Hada Freeblade
 
1 x Harabaz Druid
1 x Ondu Cleric
1 x Kazandu Blademaster
1 x Bojuka Brigand
1 x Oran-Rief Survivalist
1 x Skeletal Changeling
 
1 x Adaptive Automaton
1 x Kabira Evangel
1 x Mirror Entity
1 x Avian Changeling
1 x Flickerwisp
1 x Necrotic Sliver
1 x Harmonic Sliver
1 x Tajuru Archer
1 x Cadaver Imp
1 x Moonglove Changeling
1 x Yavimaya Elder
1 x Eternal Witness
1 x Agadeem Occultist
 
1 x Talus Paladin
1 x Chameleon Colossus
1 x Graypelt Hunter
1 x Joraga Bard
1 x Solemn Simulacrum
 
1 x Turntimber Ranger
1 x Reveillark
1 x Changeling Hero
1 x Hagra Diabolist
1 x Acidic Slime
 
1 x Sun Titan
 
1 x Sheoldred, Whispering One
 
Enchantments
1 x Necropotence
1 x Flickerform
1 x Doubling Season
1 x Cathars' Crusade
1 x Wild Pair
1 x Debtor's Knell
 
Artifacts
1 x Sol Ring
1 x Lightning Greaves
1 x Cloudstone Curio
1 x Thran Dynamo
1 x Minion Reflector
1 x Citanul Flute
1 x Cauldron of Souls
1 x Conjurer's Closet
 
Instants
1 x Condemn
1 x Swords to Plowshares
1 x Ghostway
1 x Relic Crush
1 x Return to Dust
1 x Join the Ranks
 
Sorceries
1 x Profane Command
1 x Revoke Existence
1 x Victimize
1 x Remember the Fallen
1 x Kodama's Reach
1 x Wrath of God
1 x Diabolic Tutor
1 x Living Death
1 x Patriarch's Bidding
1 x Sudden Disappearance
1 x Regrowth

Land
1 x Temple Garden
1 x Command Tower
1 x Reliquary Tower
1 x Sunpetal Grove
1 x Murmuring Bosk
1 x Twilight Mire
1 x Wooded Bastion
1 x Caves of Koilos
1 x Misty Rainforest
1 x Marsh Flats 
1 x Arid Mesa
1 x Terramorphic Expanse
1 x Evolving Wilds
1 x Esper Panorama
1 x Naya Panorama
1 x Bant Panorama
1 x Jund Panorama
6 x Forest
6 x Plains
6 x Swamp 


 


 

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13 months ago  ::  Jun 22, 2012 - 3:22PM #25
MRHblue
Date Joined: Jun 14, 2011
Posts: 932
Dr,


You getting any games in with this? Mine is similar, but it getting smashed by most "regular" decks. I just cannot seem to get out or bounce allies fast enough to matter  
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13 months ago  ::  Jun 23, 2012 - 8:42AM #26
drmdzh
Date Joined: Sep 16, 2007
Posts: 173
Only tested it once. Did OK. I found that I don't want ANY creatures in my hand except allies. So going to start by removing the sliver and cadaver imp and finding a few more allies/changelings to throw in.

I had a great thing going with Sun Titan and Minion Relfector - definitly two of the best utility in the deck. Especially the relfector.

I think cloudstone curio is going to be awesome too if I can get it into play.

Doubling Seaason and Turntimber Ranger also was nuts.

Have not won yet... will keep working on it! It's not my main deck so only sees play in very casual situations so far (I play in a pretty competitive group.)
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13 months ago  ::  Jun 24, 2012 - 9:08AM #27
Perpetual
Date Joined: Oct 24, 2011
Posts: 476
Just some thoughts:

- You have no card advantage to speak of outside Necropotence, which is a nice card. But if you don't draw it or a tutor to get it you have no other means of drawing extra cards. Unless you count your fetch lands.

- Speaking of which, you have 9 different lands that will fetch a basic land, but only 26 actual mana producing lands. Seems like you'd be better off with more mana lands, utility lands like Gavony Township and Vault of the Archangel , some combination of land fetches from creatures like Sylvan Ranger and spells like Cultivate , and maybe only 2-3 fetching lands.

- I can see some scenarios where your ability to flicker your board could be great. But if you don't have the necessary second &/or third card in your hand or in play, all I see is you removing the +1/+1 counters from your allies. Is that happening, or are your flicker combos (like Sudden Disappearance + Wrath of God) working out?

- Rune-Scarred Demon . Yeah, he's 3 more cmc than Diabolic tutor , but since you are flickering so much, wouldn't he be a repeatable tutor?
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13 months ago  ::  Jun 25, 2012 - 7:47AM #28
drmdzh
Date Joined: Sep 16, 2007
Posts: 173
As always, very good points...

What other card advantage do you recommend?

I am a huge fan of deck thinning with fetch lands. I may aquire Gavony Township and Vault of the Archangel,  but I don't think I'll remove too many fetches. I am not too familiar with the latest block as I have stopped playing standard, so thanks for those suggestions.

Board flicker is questionable. I'll have to play more games to see if I like it or not.

Rune-Scarred Demon - good idea. 

If I was going to go with Sylvan ranger, I might go with elvish or treefolk harbinger instead. They can find changelings too.

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13 months ago  ::  Jun 25, 2012 - 9:21AM #29
Perpetual
Date Joined: Oct 24, 2011
Posts: 476
So here is what I'd take out:

Jun 15, 2012 -- 5:29AM, drmdzh wrote:


Creatures
1 x Necrotic Sliver
1 x Harmonic Sliver
Artifacts
1 x Thran Dynamo
 Sorceries
1 x Diabolic Tutor

Land
1 x Misty Rainforest
1 x Marsh Flats 
1 x Arid Mesa
1 x Esper Panorama
1 x Naya Panorama
1 x Bant Panorama
1 x Jund Panorama




You had already targeted the Slivers. The Dynamo goes because by the time you can cast it your deck no longer needs ramp, plus you don't really need colorless mana. The Tutor goes for Rune-Scarred Demon. So there's ten other cards I'm looking at replacing.

1 x Bala Ged Thief
1 x Nimana Sell-Sword

1 x Darksteel Ingot

1 x Gavony Township
1 x Vault of the Archangel
1 x Selesnya Sanctuary
1 x Orzhov Basilica
1 x Golgari Rot Farm

1 x Mind's Eye
1 x Gravestorm


Not perfect.
I think you'll probably need to test the deck to see how the flicker works out. If it does, great. If not.....that's a big bunch of cards to replace and you could do any number of things in those card slots.

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