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13 months ago ::
Jun 02, 2012 - 10:56AM
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hi there, as the title says, i was away from the MTG scene for a few years (6, to be more exact) and just felt like coming back to play a few games i need a few heads up with some deck choices before i throw myself into the lions i got the humanity's vengeance deck and the following extra cards: 3x Blade Splicer  4x Champion of the Parish  4x Day of Judgment  2x Glacial Fortress  3x Mirran Crusader  3x Moorland Haunt  3x Phyrexian Metamorph  i don't really have much of an idea of how the deck should go but by looking at the cards i believe it's a token/control kind of deck i would appreaciate a few tips on what to change the main deck to make it minimally competitive when i decide to throw myself to the lions next weekend i can spend another 100quid in singles if i have to-- i'm not sure if many decks on the scene are creature heavy as i haven't got the time to go through all the powerhouses and how they play-- i tend to favour control over combat when i play and counters over control spells so would like a bit of help keeping that type of gameplay i only start reading about the game last night and i'm half way down through rules (no more stack!?) and the new abilities and naming, so please don't cut too much on corners when explaining something-- i'm not slow but i might not understand certain shorthanded names :D i saw another topic about the same but decided not to post there as the fella seemed to have an idea of where to go and i would feel like i was hijacking the thread more than contributing thanks in advance for the help guys
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13 months ago ::
Jun 02, 2012 - 2:04PM
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Feb 24, 2011
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Hey there  I wouldn't worry about the token side of things too much. Try to get 4 Delver of Secrets  if you plan on playing humans. It's one of the best cards in standard right now. If you're going U/W, get 4 Seachrome Coast  too. Also, there is still a stack, don't worry! Haha, damage doesn't go on the stack during combat anymore, that's all. It seems like you want to play aggressively, so I wouldn't use Day of Judgment simply because it also kills your own dudes. Oblivion Ring  is an excellent choice for white removal spells.
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13 months ago ::
Jun 02, 2012 - 4:32PM
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Date Joined:
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Ignore the last poster. Delver is played in a specific deck type. The fact that he's human doesn't mean you automatically include him in a Humans deck.
The stack still exists, by the way. Combat damage just doesn't use it anymore.
It's really not even about giving niche cards to black.
It should be about giving black cards to Niche.
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13 months ago ::
Jun 02, 2012 - 4:42PM
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thanks for the replies
regarding stacks i meant in combat, yes-- i just stumbled with double-strikes/regeneration-shields and whatnot
about the delvers, i got the impression it was a slightly different deck and i'd say i'm missing a couple of those blueish (veryo expensiveyo) cards
i've been looking for articles that people might have wrote about how to improve this deck but not much luck-- if anyone can throw a bone (or a link) would be great :D or maybe this deck just didn't get much love when it comes to tweak it
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13 months ago ::
Jun 02, 2012 - 4:42PM
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Feb 24, 2011
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Eh, yeah. Thinking on it I'm not sure why I suggested Delver. You wouldn't have enough instants/sorceries to flip him reliably. My bad.
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13 months ago ::
Jun 02, 2012 - 4:52PM
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White or UW Humans can be really good, and you have most of what you need. Champion is a great one drop, and goes really nicely with Gather the Townsfolk  . You can also run a couple Doomed Traveler  as another 1cmc guy. Legionnaire is a pretty solid 2 or 3 drop guy, and Crusader is certainly good as a four-of. Fiend Hunter is also really good, I'd say certainly worth two or three. Honor of the Pure  is good stuff. You're basically looking to be fast and resilient. Moorland Haunt really helps with the long game. I'd basically just modify the event deck by cutting the chaff stuff (Smuggler, most of the Lawkeepers, Pilgrim, etc) for more nuts dudes like Blade Splicer, Crusader, Champion and the Gathers.
Welcome to 2012. Blue has the most efficient creatures, black has the all-in monocolored aggro deck, the most controlling deck in the format is green-red, control decks lose to aggro in attrition wars, and counterspells aren't an answer to fatties.
Pack Rat is like Bitterblossom and Tarmogoyf had a black baby.
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13 months ago ::
Jun 02, 2012 - 6:16PM
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thanks for the replies guys at the moment, the following is the playlist i came up with-- let me know if there's mistakes right of the bat and how would you guys tweak it before shuffling the deck and giving it a go (24) Lands 4x Glacial Fortress 3x Moorland Haunt 8x Island  9x Plains  (24) Creatures 4x Blade Splicer 4x Mirran Crusader 4x Champion of the Parish 2x Fiend Hunter  2x Gideon's Lawkeeper  2x Phyrexian Metamorph 3x Nearheath Pilgrim  3x Tandem Lookout  (12) Spells 4x Mana Leak  4x Negate  4x Dismember  please remember that this is just my idea put down on paper-- i know i should be doing a lot more of homework but please bear with me while i'm trying to figure this out instead of just go look for something done already and copy it :D
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13 months ago ::
Jun 02, 2012 - 7:35PM
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Jun 20, 2009
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I would get ride of the pilgrims,the lookouts,and the metamorphs and replace them with card like elite vanguard,gather the townsfolk,ponder,vapor snag,or hero of bladehold.also u defintly want to get 4x seacrome coast if your playing a blue white deck that wants to get out of the gates fast then it's a must have.you also could probly shave 2 nagate.mabey replace them with oblivion ring
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13 months ago ::
Jun 03, 2012 - 12:29AM
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thanks for the input i feel that metamorphs could be pretty useful and i think should even be running 3 (up from 2,) instead of leaving them out alltogether-- anyone with a bit of insight there ? i wonder if it's possible to let me know about who's replacing who-- when you say "get rid of the pilgrims (...)" and replace them with cards like "(...)" some of those cards are sorceries that will replace creature spells so i don't really know why should i be doing it at 20quid a seachrome coast  , it's not that i don't want to get them-- i just rather put those 80euro in other cards and slowly get them magic landsi haven't yet quite understood how to use deck-stats but i'll get there :D so, this is another (possible) version with some of the changes-- the deck is sounding more like a WW everytime i get new posts hehehehe (24) Lands 4x Glacial Fortress 4x Seachrome Coast  2x Moorland Haunt 7x Island 7x Plains (24) Creatures 4x Champion of the Parish 4x Elite Vanguard  4x Blade Splicer 4x Mirran Crusader 2x Hero of Bladehold  3x Fiend Hunter 3x Phyrexian Metamorph (12) Spells 4x Mana Leak 3x Negate 2x Dissipate  3x Dismember any thoughts ? *edit* frek it ! bit the bullet and ordered the seachromes
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13 months ago ::
Jun 03, 2012 - 5:15AM
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May 20, 2012
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What about something like gather the townsfolk  instead of mana leak. Gives you cheap blockers and pumps your champion up two on turn two. There's also riders of gavony  against themed decks. Any of the swords are powerful but they are rotating in 4 months. Instead of elite vangaurd how about wingcrafter  as that can give evasion to your creatures. Blade splicer seems a little out of place as she usually likes to be in decks that can abuse her etb effect. How about Geist-Honored Monk  as a finisher or mentor of the meek  to help draw more cards
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