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Jun 3, 2012 -- 3:15PM, mr_niceguy wrote:

Looking at the confirmed cards I am playing with the idea of turning RDW into RGW with a Fling+Serra Avatar Combo (red for burn and cards like faithless looting, green for extra mana and white for avatar etc. and possibly a hellrider+ token combo as well).

once you get the avatar out, had some early burn damage dealt to your opponent and fling in your hand, that pretty much means you would have won. 

reckon a deck like that could work or would it be too slow and/or dependent on getting the right cards?

It's bad. We're talking about a 9 mana 2-card combo. There's too many things that'd kill them faster, and too many less conditional ways to interact with their life total.

Playing an aggresive red deck, the whole advantage you have is that your removal is also reach once you're not able to get throug. Burn out their early creatures so your dudes can get through easily, burn their face off once that's out of the question. You're better off with a hard curve to 3/4, and some deviation from 22 creatures/18 burn or it's ilk. That way every topdeck can win the game, your curve isn't fighting itself and you're trying to run out of gas just in time.


Think about it, serra avatar and fling have both been around for ages. It's never been a thing except in fun little Johnny concept decks.  

Jun 9, 2012 -- 10:15PM, BigK42 wrote:

Jun 3, 2012 -- 12:23AM, MrIndigo wrote:

No, Vexing Devil is in fact totally awful in every deck you could conceivably use him in, up to and including Legacy Burn.

Eh, I dunno.  Now I haven't tested this extensively vs. top tier decks, but my limited initial testing has seen some success using vexing devil in a RB list along with archwing dragon , zealous conscripts , Thunderous Wrath , and 2-ofs mimic vat and noxious revival .

T1 vexing devil is basically a flame javelin to the face.  Now ordinarily this wouldn't be that great vs. the aggressive, board position centric decks that are rampant in standard.  However, you add the ability to top deck a lava axe for 1 mana, and that early burn starts to look attractive.  Add in the conscripts for mid-late game blowout potential, and the deck sort of runs.  Mimic vat with conscripts is just dirty pool, as is a top-decked wrath backed up by noxious revival.

The black splash is basically just there for access to removal, to deal with threats that would just defeat a normal red deck.

I see how you can say that vexing devil is a creature when you need burn and burn when you need a creature, but I think you can build a deck that minimizes its weaknesses, particularly backed by the strength of red miracles.

That sounds fine for game 1, but once your opponent knows what's up they'll just let you have the Devil then kill it, or Vapor Snag it, or block it. And Archwing Dragon is just not that great, considering Mana Leak, Vapor Snag, and Dismember are all seeing a decent amount of play (Oh, and Plummet).
Mimic Vat is something that doesn't see near enough play however. But I think that's because it isn't as powerful as a sword, and it gets a lot of indirect hate due to people wanting to kill swords.