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13 months ago ::
Jun 03, 2012 - 10:16PM
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Well to be very fair here, I'm excited to see the reprint of Captain of the Watch  , and have gotten great mileage out of Geist-Honored Monk  , are there abilitys no different than casting several small creature spells with a single card, the same way Cascade nets you a (somewhat) lower costed spell in addition to an overpriced one? Are any of these really different from Dual Casting  or other spell multiplication effects, or even something extreme like Rite of Replication  ? My point being that card-free spells and card advantage are part of the same fold, but there's nothing inherently broken about it. Gavony Township  , for example has a powerful effect which consumes no cards to play (as is the same with Ajani Goldmane  's -1). This is to say that in modern Magic, assuming that 1 spell should always equal 1 effect is ludicrous because every type of deck has inherent card advantage available to it, to make constructed play much smoother and high variance.
Yes, Dual Casting and other copy effects ARE very different from Cascade. And no, Gavony Township is not the same as cascade either, nor is it a free spell. Nor is Goldmane's -1. And "casting several small creature spells with a single card" is also different than Captain of the Watch and Geist honored Monk.
Cascade was a reasonably costed spell or creature which also gave you another free card, which you could reliably scuplt to your advantage. All the things you named have costs associated to them, and/or cost cards to aquire the effect.
Just because free casting and card advantage are similar and go hand in hand doesn't make things the same. I'd go into more detail, but it's 1 AM and I'm going to bed, so I'll just say that your comparisons are pretty off the mark.
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13 months ago ::
Jun 04, 2012 - 2:55AM
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Anyone who thinks banning Delver is a solution has absolutely no idea how the Delver deck works.
It's really not even about giving niche cards to black.
It should be about giving black cards to Niche.
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13 months ago ::
Jun 04, 2012 - 5:08AM
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Anyone who thinks banning Delver is a solution has absolutely no idea how the Delver deck works.
while i don't think it should be banned, at the same time, blue shouldn't get one of these 
its a cheap dude in a deck that likes to play cheap things in which to gain an edge, simple
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13 months ago ::
Jun 04, 2012 - 9:02AM
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Anyone who thinks banning Delver is a solution has absolutely no idea how the Delver deck works.
while i don't think it should be banned, at the same time, blue should get one of these
its a cheap dude in a deck that likes to play cheap things in which to gain an edge, simple
The problem for the meta not being the actual power of the deck but the fear that if it's popularity rises, it will create a 1 deck format, but it isn't nearly that powerful, and the types of decks that can survive with both WRR and Delver in the same format are enumerous, some even having good matchups against both of said decks (such as GR Aggro).
The simple ends of it are that UW Delver keeps having popularity spikes, and then spends some time getting hosed- Which I find fascinating because it gives place to the deck archetypes players were afraid of losing to this metagame anyways. Because each control deck has it's own set of good and bad matchups (but are all generally universally close with Delver), the metagame is going to continue shifting by whether it's correct to build against Delver, Ramp or Aggro, and whether it's correct to use a control deck to do that. Consider this though, I don't think tournament attendance has begun to dissipate yet because of there being a best deck, because there are definite ways to "roll" that deck before the deck rebuilds to retake the meta. Generally speaking, if tournament attendance and enthusiasm is still high, there's no reason for a banning.
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13 months ago ::
Jun 05, 2012 - 4:45AM
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UK PTQ this weekends, 6 Delver in top 8. WMCQ this weekend, 5 Delver in top 8. The deck seems to be Geist, splicer and angels amongst the normal stuff, images are in the board now.
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12 months ago ::
Jun 05, 2012 - 2:53PM
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Its gonna take some time but people will adjust to the new delver list and it will fall off again... until people quit paying attention to it again and the list will change and dominate again
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12 months ago ::
Jun 06, 2012 - 12:15AM
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Anyone who thinks banning Delver is a solution has absolutely no idea how the Delver deck works.
I'm very aware of how delver works. I'm also aware that I win against it far more often when they don't start swinging for 3 on turn 2. Yes, alot of the rest of the deck is powerful stuff. But getting thrown on your heels after a blind Delver flip turn two leaves you with an immediate threat to deal with while they have counter mana open sends most games spiralling downhill.
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12 months ago ::
Jun 06, 2012 - 3:00AM
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UK PTQ this weekends, 6 Delver in top 8. WMCQ this weekend, 5 Delver in top 8. The deck seems to be Geist, splicer and angels amongst the normal stuff, images are in the board now.
Image was not a common maindeck card in the standard non-Spirit versions. It was used primarily as extra copies of Drogskol Captain, to provide double-hexproof.
It's really not even about giving niche cards to black.
It should be about giving black cards to Niche.
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12 months ago ::
Jun 06, 2012 - 3:14AM
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Pre AVR it's hard to find lists that didn't main deck 1 image, but very few played more than 2.
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