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Switch to Forum Live View 05/30/2012 LI: "Breaking Down the Decks of Avacyn Restored, Part Three"
13 months ago  ::  May 30, 2012 - 2:25PM #11
gruulsmash
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May 30, 2012 -- 2:04PM, nylarotep wrote:

May 30, 2012 -- 1:36PM, gruulsmash wrote:

what if the blue card is something like a Smuggler, or a Tandem Lookout? I haven't drafted the set, only sealed, and i was Red-green midrange (which could be a draft archetype but all the other decks want its cards), so I want to know whether a Blue broken or a White broken Is the better choice?




The 3 AVR drafts I've done I went U/R tempo (2-1), G/R Aggro (2-1) B/U Loner (1-1-1), so I can't really say which is better since I have yet to play R/W humans.  It really depends on you preference, how many people at your table are drafting that color, if it's open, what other cards were in the pack, etc.

Assuming both are equally open, I personally would probably take the Goldnight Commander, since there's more cards that Thatcher Revolt synergizes with in R/W than U/R. If you prefer blue, I'd probably take the Tandem Lookout over the Smuggler (seems mediocre unless you have some decent ETB creatures).


I think the goldnight commander could be a signal and put someone else in white, so blue could be better in that respect. And, R/W seems so good, you might actually start fighting over it without realizing till it is too late. And if necessary, you could make the switch in Pack 2. Basically, U/R seems so cool I will probably go out of my way to draft it.

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13 months ago  ::  May 30, 2012 - 3:54PM #12
Thalatta
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Kessig Malcontents and Riot Ringleaders are, I think, the two key pieces - for both decks. Wingcrafter and Stonewright, along with Kruin Striker and Moorland Inquisitor are sweet, but the deck works just fine with Cathedral Sanctifiers and Alchemist's Apprentice. For what it's worth, Nephalia Smuggler with Kessig Malcontents is sick.

Also, Wingcrafter is good in pretty much ANY deck. Especially if you can pick up Favorable Winds.
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13 months ago  ::  May 30, 2012 - 4:45PM #13
gruulsmash
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May 30, 2012 -- 3:54PM, Thalatta wrote:

Kessig Malcontents and Riot Ringleaders are, I think, the two key pieces - for both decks. Wingcrafter and Stonewright, along with Kruin Striker and Moorland Inquisitor are sweet, but the deck works just fine with Cathedral Sanctifiers and Alchemist's Apprentice. For what it's worth, Nephalia Smuggler with Kessig Malcontents is sick.

Also, Wingcrafter is good in pretty much ANY deck. Especially if you can pick up Favorable Winds.


control.

Mono-black.

Multi-colored green.

Boros.

Etc.

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sry, but it is just not That good because it's success is predicated on a good follow up,like Falkenrath Exterminator. It is good though.

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13 months ago  ::  May 30, 2012 - 9:37PM #14
Thalatta
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Control? Pairs nicely with your bombs and fatties (like Harvester of Souls, perhaps).

Mono-black? Okay, you got me there, but if you've got a light amount of blue, there are a lot of meh black critters that would love flying.

Multi-colored green? Have you ever given Nettle Swine flying? It's pretty sweet!

Boros? Yeah, well, Wingcrafter giving guys like Riot Ringleader so they can attack unimpaired is one of the perks of going U/R instead; if you're Boros, you probably couldn't pick up the worthy blue cards anyway.
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13 months ago  ::  May 31, 2012 - 9:58AM #15
gruulsmash
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May 30, 2012 -- 9:37PM, Thalatta wrote:

Control? Pairs nicely with your bombs and fatties (like Harvester of Souls, perhaps).

Mono-black? Okay, you got me there, but if you've got a light amount of blue, there are a lot of meh black critters that would love flying.

Multi-colored green? Have you ever given Nettle Swine flying? It's pretty sweet!

Boros? Yeah, well, Wingcrafter giving guys like Riot Ringleader so they can attack unimpaired is one of the perks of going U/R instead; if you're Boros, you probably couldn't pick up the worthy blue cards anyway.


sry, i was just screwing around. But control does not seem the best place for it, blue-white is the only control I know of and most of your finishers are already flying.

One of the formats problems that I'm starting to see is that If one guy is boros and the other is U/R, they will fight way more often then not. They will both be first-picking some of the same cards, but white has more two drops and can prioritize the really cool stuff. And other decks also want many of the same cards. I am just wondering if this will mean that the format is not as fun due to fighting over colors and cards. (trust me, when that happens, the draft is no fun at all)

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13 months ago  ::  May 31, 2012 - 10:41PM #16
Thalatta
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May 31, 2012 -- 9:58AM, gruulsmash wrote:

May 30, 2012 -- 9:37PM, Thalatta wrote:

Control? Pairs nicely with your bombs and fatties (like Harvester of Souls, perhaps).

Mono-black? Okay, you got me there, but if you've got a light amount of blue, there are a lot of meh black critters that would love flying.

Multi-colored green? Have you ever given Nettle Swine flying? It's pretty sweet!

Boros? Yeah, well, Wingcrafter giving guys like Riot Ringleader so they can attack unimpaired is one of the perks of going U/R instead; if you're Boros, you probably couldn't pick up the worthy blue cards anyway.


sry, i was just screwing around. But control does not seem the best place for it, blue-white is the only control I know of and most of your finishers are already flying.

One of the formats problems that I'm starting to see is that If one guy is boros and the other is U/R, they will fight way more often then not. They will both be first-picking some of the same cards, but white has more two drops and can prioritize the really cool stuff. And other decks also want many of the same cards. I am just wondering if this will mean that the format is not as fun due to fighting over colors and cards. (trust me, when that happens, the draft is no fun at all)


Well, I think you make a good point - Wingcrafter doesn't go into just any deck - but I think that it probably goes into more than is readily apparent. Middling-but-decent guys like Thraben Valiant, Soulcage Fiend and Nettle Swine would all be top commons if they came with flying. Wingcrafter can make them into such commons.

As for the U/R vs. W/R situation - perhaps if that starts to happen often, one drafter can figure out that it's good to move out of Humans, and perhaps pick up better card quality, even if there's less synergy. (Though so far it seems that being the drafter that goes into Humans and reaps the rewards is more likely)

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13 months ago  ::  May 31, 2012 - 11:22PM #17
TobyornotToby
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May 30, 2012 -- 2:25PM, gruulsmash wrote:

I think the goldnight commander could be a signal and put someone else in white, so blue could be better in that respect. And, R/W seems so good, you might actually start fighting over it without realizing till it is too late. And if necessary, you could make the switch in Pack 2. Basically, U/R seems so cool I will probably go out of my way to draft it.




Tandem Lookout is a signal too, so if you pass that someone will go in blue.

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