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Switch to Forum Live View 05/30/2012 LI: "Breaking Down the Decks of Avacyn Restored, Part Three"
13 months ago  ::  May 29, 2012 - 5:07PM #1
Garmichael
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13 months ago  ::  May 29, 2012 - 9:26PM #2
Ertai87
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I'm not sure if you read/reply to the forums, Steve, but here's a question for you:

You're partway through pack 1 (or perhaps towards the beginning of pack 2; somewhere between 8-20 cards into the draft).  Your Red/White deck (so far) contains 6-8 creatures, 4-6 of which are Humans, but none of which are Kessig Malcontents, Riot Ringleaders, or other "Human Tribal" stuff.  You look at your pack and see a R/W Human and another R/W card, where the Human is worse than the other card but only slightly (having not drafted R/W very much, I can't pick 2 cards to use as an example), and the Human is also not one of the Human Tribal synergy cards (Kessig Malcontents et al).  Do you go deep on the Human, hoping to pick up the Ringleaders, Malcontents, etc later, or do you pick up the only-slightly-better other card?
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13 months ago  ::  May 29, 2012 - 10:25PM #3
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May 29, 2012 -- 9:26PM, Ertai87 wrote:

I'm not sure if you read/reply to the forums, Steve, but here's a question for you:

You're partway through pack 1 (or perhaps towards the beginning of pack 2; somewhere between 8-20 cards into the draft).  Your Red/White deck (so far) contains 6-8 creatures, 4-6 of which are Humans, but none of which are Kessig Malcontents, Riot Ringleaders, or other "Human Tribal" stuff.  You look at your pack and see a R/W Human and another R/W card, where the Human is worse than the other card but only slightly (having not drafted R/W very much, I can't pick 2 cards to use as an example), and the Human is also not one of the Human Tribal synergy cards (Kessig Malcontents et al).  Do you go deep on the Human, hoping to pick up the Ringleaders, Malcontents, etc later, or do you pick up the only-slightly-better other card?


It sounds like at that point, someone else may be drafting R/W human as well, at least the tribal cards. I think at that point, I'd focus more on control and good curve, maybe even consider a different color if you see a few power cards go by. Not that I think R/W wouldn't necessarily be grand by itself, but it climbs to a whole other level when the human synergy is there.

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13 months ago  ::  May 30, 2012 - 9:07AM #4
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Yes, Seraph of dawn is one of the best cards in the set



I've been seeing less and less of her in general. Not just that, but there have also been an unfortunate number of situation where she sucked. It's strange, I thought she would be really good anywhere, but she's shaping out to only go into a couple of archetypes.


I haven't seen the UR Aggro archetype yet, but it sounds sort of legit. Definitely cool, but rare. Like you said, those two drops are no where near the level of RW humans, and that's the goal of the deck. Land a 2 drop. Land another. Land double. Stuff like that. 

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13 months ago  ::  May 30, 2012 - 9:16AM #5
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May 30, 2012 -- 9:07AM, Senyuno wrote:

Yes, Seraph of dawn is one of the best cards in the set



I've been seeing less and less of her in general. Not just that, but there have also been an unfortunate number of situation where she sucked. It's strange, I thought she would be really good anywhere, but she's shaping out to only go into a couple of archetypes.


I haven't seen the UR Aggro archetype yet, but it sounds sort of legit. Definitely cool, but rare. Like you said, those two drops are no where near the level of RW humans, and that's the goal of the deck. Land a 2 drop. Land another. Land double. Stuff like that. 


Seraph of Dawn was specifically a response to the claim that Innistrad-Dark Ascension had no control options. She does one thing only- slow the game down by a few precious turns.


Here is my question: Let's say I have one wingcrafter and one Nearheath Pilgrim (i think it is one of the best two drops there is, especially when the alternative is a Valiant or Inquisitor)
And tons of great red stuff. Revolts, ringleaders, etc. Just awesome stuff. Then in the next pass(pack 1) you are passed some premium blue bounce and Goldnight Commander. Both colors seem pretty open because you've take all the aggressive red in the pack. Do you go blue or White?
The reason I ask is that white seems more "solid" and reliable, but blue seems to have so much more upside if luck is in the cards (pun absolutely intended)

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13 months ago  ::  May 30, 2012 - 9:40AM #6
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May 30, 2012 -- 9:16AM, gruulsmash wrote:

May 30, 2012 -- 9:07AM, Senyuno wrote:

Yes, Seraph of dawn is one of the best cards in the set



Here is my question: Let's say I have one wingcrafter and one Nearheath Pilgrim (i think it is one of the best two drops there is, especially when the alternative is a Valiant or Inquisitor)
And tons of great red stuff. Revolts, ringleaders, etc. Just awesome stuff. Then in the next pass(pack 1) you are passed some premium blue bounce and Goldnight Commander. Both colors seem pretty open because you've take all the aggressive red in the pack. Do you go blue or White?




I would go white and take the Goldnight Commander, especially since you said you already have a bunch of humans to synergize with it.

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13 months ago  ::  May 30, 2012 - 9:43AM #7
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May 30, 2012 -- 9:40AM, nylarotep wrote:

May 30, 2012 -- 9:16AM, gruulsmash wrote:

May 30, 2012 -- 9:07AM, Senyuno wrote:

Yes, Seraph of dawn is one of the best cards in the set



Here is my question: Let's say I have one wingcrafter and one Nearheath Pilgrim (i think it is one of the best two drops there is, especially when the alternative is a Valiant or Inquisitor)
And tons of great red stuff. Revolts, ringleaders, etc. Just awesome stuff. Then in the next pass(pack 1) you are passed some premium blue bounce and Goldnight Commander. Both colors seem pretty open because you've take all the aggressive red in the pack. Do you go blue or White?




I would go white and take the Goldnight Commander, especially since you said you already have a bunch of humans to synergize with it.


but goldnight doesn't only work with humans. just sayin.

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13 months ago  ::  May 30, 2012 - 9:49AM #8
nylarotep
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True, forgot about that. Still, if you already have the Revolts then Goldnight Commander becomes busted.
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13 months ago  ::  May 30, 2012 - 1:36PM #9
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May 30, 2012 -- 9:49AM, nylarotep wrote:

True, forgot about that. Still, if you already have the Revolts then Goldnight Commander becomes busted.


what if the blue card is something like a Smuggler, or a Tandem Lookout? I haven't drafted the set, only sealed, and i was Red-green midrange (which could be a draft archetype but all the other decks want its cards), so I want to know whether a Blue broken or a White broken Is the better choice?

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13 months ago  ::  May 30, 2012 - 2:04PM #10
nylarotep
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May 30, 2012 -- 1:36PM, gruulsmash wrote:

what if the blue card is something like a Smuggler, or a Tandem Lookout? I haven't drafted the set, only sealed, and i was Red-green midrange (which could be a draft archetype but all the other decks want its cards), so I want to know whether a Blue broken or a White broken Is the better choice?




The 3 AVR drafts I've done I went U/R tempo (2-1), G/R Aggro (2-1) B/U Loner (1-1-1), so I can't really say which is better since I have yet to play R/W humans.  It really depends on you preference, how many people at your table are drafting that color, if it's open, what other cards were in the pack, etc.

Assuming both are equally open, I personally would probably take the Goldnight Commander, since there's more cards that Thatcher Revolt synergizes with in R/W than U/R. If you prefer blue, I'd probably take the Tandem Lookout over the Smuggler (seems mediocre unless you have some decent ETB creatures).

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