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13 months ago ::
May 30, 2012 - 9:28PM
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With cards like Cavern of Souls  around, he's broken. With Ivory Tower  and Venser's Journal  , he's stupid and unfair. I play him as a general every chance I get because I know the day will come soon when he gets banned.
Enjoy your 'next turn wins' while you can, fellow Grisslies, because this puppy's on a one-way street to Unfair Degenerate Combo Ban Land.
Yeah except he's argueably worse as your general than a single in the deck. Also drawing your deck or a bunch of cards isn't that hard to do. Becuase he costs 4 black unless you got some weird god hand your really not going to get him out before turn 4, and thats with very good mana ramp.
However turn 1 if he's a single is a 3 card combo, dark ritual entomb/reanimate/animate dead
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13 months ago ::
May 31, 2012 - 5:44PM
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13 months ago ::
May 31, 2012 - 9:21PM
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With cards like Cavern of Souls around, he's broken. With Ivory Tower and Venser's Journal , he's stupid and unfair. I play him as a general every chance I get because I know the day will come soon when he gets banned.
Enjoy your 'next turn wins' while you can, fellow Grisslies, because this puppy's on a one-way street to Unfair Degenerate Combo Ban Land.
Yeah except he's argueably worse as your general than a single in the deck. Also drawing your deck or a bunch of cards isn't that hard to do. Becuase he costs 4 black unless you got some weird god hand your really not going to get him out before turn 4, and thats with very good mana ramp.
However turn 1 if he's a single is a 3 card combo, dark ritual entomb/reanimate/animate dead
How is he arguably worse as a general? and yeah you don't need to go off crazy early, turn five/six for his first activation (He WILL get killed) lets you draw your Doubling Cube, crucial lands, tutor or two, etc. and the next turn you can recast him and win. It's (un?)surprisingly easy to win when Yawgmoth's Bargain is your general and Exsanguinate exists. 
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13 months ago ::
May 31, 2012 - 10:05PM
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With cards like Cavern of Souls around, he's broken. With Ivory Tower and Venser's Journal , he's stupid and unfair. I play him as a general every chance I get because I know the day will come soon when he gets banned.
Enjoy your 'next turn wins' while you can, fellow Grisslies, because this puppy's on a one-way street to Unfair Degenerate Combo Ban Land.
Yeah except he's argueably worse as your general than a single in the deck. Also drawing your deck or a bunch of cards isn't that hard to do. Becuase he costs 4 black unless you got some weird god hand your really not going to get him out before turn 4, and thats with very good mana ramp.
However turn 1 if he's a single is a 3 card combo, dark ritual entomb/reanimate/animate dead
How is he arguably worse as a general? and yeah you don't need to go off crazy early, turn five/six for his first activation (He WILL get killed) lets you draw your Doubling Cube, crucial lands, tutor or two, etc. and the next turn you can recast him and win. It's (un?)surprisingly easy to win when Yawgmoth's Bargain is your general and Exsanguinate exists.
I think that going off turn 2-3 is a bit better than going off turn 5-6.
Also if you're running doubling cube in a combo non omnath deck you're doing it wrong.
If you're trying to win quickly you're running a bunch of 2 card combos to win.
It also lets you run other colors that let you combo off easier if you're not going mono black, and gives you access to far far more combos.
The deck that that guy linked to on magic slavation is an ad nauseum deck, with your general as back up. It's basically the ad nauseum deck with 1 change the general.
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13 months ago ::
May 31, 2012 - 11:24PM
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Ad nauseum isn't a banned card...as I've already said (and everyone seems to be ignoring my post  ), being able to build a broken combo deck around a card isn't a valid ban reason there are dozens of such cards that are legal and not causing problem for the format. It has to be busted when used with fair intent to merit banning.
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13 months ago ::
May 31, 2012 - 11:36PM
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The only way he will get banned in my opinion is if every deck that can run him is always in a race to get him out first, and whoever does so always wins.
In other words if in every black deck ever he is the first tutor/reanimate spell then you win the game then he will get banned
Tremor I fully agree with that assessment, and I basically said the same thing on the first page. Just becuase a card is amazing doesn'[t mean it should be banned. For example sierra ascendant is amazing in edh. However I have never heard anyone make a reasonable arguement that it should be banned.
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13 months ago ::
Jun 01, 2012 - 1:58PM
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... It has to be busted when used with fair intent to merit banning.
Based on what exactly? tinker  is banned and can be used fairly all day long. So can staff of domination  or Protean Hulk  . I do no think you understand the EDH banning ideals.
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13 months ago ::
Jun 01, 2012 - 9:40PM
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Based on the countless banlist discussions that pop up every week or so on both mtgsalvation and the official commander forums, and what the actual Rules Committee members say every time they care to interject. Based on articles like this one: written by Sheldon Mennery, the granddaddy of EDH. Here's an excerpt: What we can do as the Rules Committee is try to steer people away from cards that we have found accidentally make the game uninteresting. We want to make sure that the shark-infested custard you plan to dangle your enemies over isn't emitting toxic fumes, because that would be awkward. If you are using Erayo, or Armageddon, or putting Curiosity into your Niv-Mizzet deck, you aren't thinking about defeating your opponents with a laser mounted on the moon, and there's no ban list long enough to stop you finding guns too powerful for the format. But if you heard the phrase 'shark-infested custard' and that gave you warm fuzzies, I think we have a format for you.And out of curiosity...what do you consider a 'fair use' of tinker ? I think even the most casual of casual players probably first thought "hmm I guess you use this to sac a mana rock and go get a giant robot?" upon seeing this card. Which ironically, is exactly how it gets used in vintage. Turn 1-3 sundering titan or blightsteel colossus isn't much fun.
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13 months ago ::
Jun 02, 2012 - 5:04PM
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I hope he doesn't get banned. I have only put him in one deck as a great addition, but not as a general. That was one of the four demons in my Kaalia of the Vast  deck, and he only made an appearance a few times, and I never won when he appeared. Kaalia herself is broken, since she puts out insane angels and demons for free. Ban her if you are trigger happy with the banlist. Otherwise, leave Griselbrand  alone. Don't taze me bro!
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13 months ago ::
Jun 02, 2012 - 10:56PM
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Kaalia doesn't/maybe can't do anything thats really really broken.
Drawing your deck has been a mechanic that is easily broken. However doesn't mean it needs to be broken. Honestly I've never cast it, only reanimated it, but whenever it hits the field i typically win that turn on the next( it is a combo deck so maybe thats why). That being said it's really not that broken of an enabler. Whenever i reanimated him that way typically there was another target that would have won me the game as soon as it resolved.
I think the rules committee will not ban it without good reason, however unless the card turns out to be unbearably degenrate in the format I will not like the banning (mostly because I picked one up and don't want to have wasted it)
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