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1 year ago ::
May 26, 2012 - 9:09AM
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If you Mimic Vat  your Commander as he dies how does it all resolve? He/She's exiled but could you have the Commander go to your Command Zone or would doing that disrupt the Vat's imprint ability?
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1 year ago ::
May 26, 2012 - 9:12AM
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May 15, 2001
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You get to choose where it goes. If you choose to have it go to exile with the vat, then you can use the vat to make tokens, but if you choose to send it to the command zone it will no longer be imprinted on the vat. So no tokens.
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1 year ago ::
May 26, 2012 - 9:15AM
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Makes sense but wanted to find out for certain, thanks!
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1 year ago ::
May 26, 2012 - 9:23AM
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Jul 28, 2010
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do the tokens have "commanderness"? (does their damage count towards the 21 is what I mean)
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1 year ago ::
May 26, 2012 - 9:28AM
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No, only the commander card has "commanderness", copies of it do not.
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1 year ago ::
May 27, 2012 - 7:08AM
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Note: Exiling your commander to Mimic Vat might be a bad idea because if someone makes your Vat leave the field your commander will be exiled indefinitely. Though I did love getting the one sided benefit of Braids, Conjurer Adept  being imprinted (while I had Paradox Haze  enchanting me) Unfortunately, I only got three turns of its use when someone Acidic Slimed  it
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1 year ago ::
May 27, 2012 - 7:18AM
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Jul 28, 2010
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there are (very few) ways to get him back
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1 year ago ::
May 28, 2012 - 6:59AM
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Yeah, for a moment(a very brief moment at that) I thought it might have been a clever way of pulling off shenanigans to do all sorts of nasty stuff. That being said, if an exiled commander does make him/her inaccessible once it's been destroyed vatting someone ELSES'S commander might be a better way to go? As annoying as this request will be can someone tell me the exact rule that this would be covered under? I have a feeling if I try it it'll be highly contested unless I can point out how it works.
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1 year ago ::
May 28, 2012 - 7:02AM
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You can try to imprint an opponent's commander if they let it go to the grave, but then when you go to exile it, they get the choice to put it in the command zone again, thus making it unlikely you can imprint it, assuming no other shenanigans 
As long as it's random, I really can't see where's the problem. Anyway, there's already a few standard ways for doing this. We listed them in this thread. If someone does the bogey-bogey, eats the cards, waits until they come out, look out the approximate order, place replacements in the same order, calls the president to ask him to give him a string of numbers, puts the card in the given order, then pick the cards in the order given by taking the date of birth of his opponent, reversed, and taking only every other number, then a judge can clearly declare that he's random enough.
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1 year ago ::
May 28, 2012 - 7:06AM
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True enough, it might work once if people didn't know they could respond to the exile by putting it in the command zone but people would wise up to something as potential devastating as that. Thanks
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