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12 months ago ::
Jul 07, 2012 - 7:12PM
#121
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Date Joined:
Mar 21, 2009
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This deck makes me wish FNM happened every other night.
agreed
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12 months ago ::
Jul 07, 2012 - 9:02PM
#122
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Date Joined:
Feb 19, 2008
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4x Vexing Devils call for 2x Postmortem Lunge , since it can also be used to call a fallen Blood Artist to finish, no? Also a Bloodthrone Vampire would be a easy triggerable thing to sac Grave Crawlers and activate artist. Pitty none of them are zombies... Manabarbs in side maybe? Cheers
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12 months ago ::
Jul 07, 2012 - 10:02PM
#123
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Date Joined:
Jun 14, 2006
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12 months ago ::
Jul 08, 2012 - 8:59AM
#124
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The esper walkers/ with miracles and snaps/angels is a rough MU for me. I was just thinking tho...what about torpor orb (at least till rotation)? That could be banging tech, making 8 cards in their deck useless. 12 if it's with splicers too. That's a lot of dead cards. You lose geralf's trigger, but he still beats (tho one could say the same about the angel on their side). I think it could be very worthwhile!
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12 months ago ::
Jul 08, 2012 - 11:15AM
#125
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Date Joined:
May 15, 2008
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You might be onto something with Lingering Souls, 'cron, as that's a lotta creatures to have dying in this deck, especially while feeding Falkenrath Aristocrat to avoid sweeps/death by combat.
Split top 4 again, I love this deck. It's gonna suck losing Fume Spitter. I have my eye on Duty-Bound Dead and Knight of Infamy . No, exalted isn't SUPER relevant to our gameplan, but at the very worst, the ability does nothing. The skeleton's a good blocker against 1/xs, doesn't give Doomed Traveler 's controller a flyer and super-late game, it regenerates. The knight has pro-black and is a human, which can be great to toss to an Aristocrat once he outlives his usefulness, though that's unlikely to happen with protection from angels and most humans. Edit: And Bloodthrone Vampire and, if necessary, Vampire Nighthawk . Hell yes!
I feel REALLY good about this deck going into the new standard this fall.
Lingering Souls is one of the top ten best cards in standard in my opinion. The value you get from the card alone is insane; it can single handely recover your battlefield after a sleeper. At first I was having okay results with my B/W Zombie Artist deck, but now I've been doing even better. Beat U/W/r miracles, came close to U/W Delver (before I had Blade Splicers), and an okay match before Splicer with Naya Pod. The deck is just solid; lots of pressure early, mid, and even some late game. Nearly every card is a legitimate threat, everything else is removal. It's great when your opponent wastes their spot and mass removal to get rid of Gravecrawlers, Lingering Souls tokens, and Blood Artist and then you can bring the beats with Messenger, Blade Splicer, and Restoration Angel.
And yes, part of the reason zombie Artist builds are good is not only are they competitive, but will probably remain that way post-rotation. Vampire Nighthawk is definitely an option to consider, especially as a sideboard card vs. aggro.
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12 months ago ::
Jul 08, 2012 - 5:32PM
#126
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Date Joined:
Mar 27, 2003
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Lingering Souls is one of the most powerful spells in Standard, but I'm not sure how good it is in this deck simply because of manabase issues.
If it was 2B, 1W, I'd be more interested, but the main part of this deck is so heavily black (Geralf's Messenger, Obliterator, multiple Gravecrawler/other Zombie plays) that you can't afford to run more than a couple of non-black-producing lands. With only 4 Isolated Chapel available, reliably casting Lingering Souls' top side is difficult, and once you get to the point that you're making 2 1/1 flyers for two mana after having to find a way to discard the card, you've lost a lot of what made Lingering Souls worth playing in the first place.
For now, I'd say it's just not feasible to make a Zombie-Lingering Souls deck - but if Godless Shrine comes back in RTR, it would be something to look at for sure.
As for the Birthing Pod versions, I don't hate them, but I don't find them that amazing either. Their Pod chains are decidedly less useful than in a dedicated Pod deck, and the Pod builds I've seen tend to do too much damage to themselves and they rarely win with Pod when they wouldn't have won with just another threat. I sometimes think the Pod builds are just using Pod as a crutch for the fact that the pilots can't play aggro very well.
It's really not even about giving niche cards to black.
It should be about giving black cards to Niche.
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12 months ago ::
Jul 08, 2012 - 6:48PM
#127
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Date Joined:
Jul 14, 2010
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I sometimes think the Pod builds are just using Pod as a crutch for the fact that the pilots can't play aggro very well.
Certainly not what I was aiming at. Was just tickled by the notion of having a sac outlet that cranks you to some toolbox answers, like Vandal for SoFaF.. and I think you know I flip for Pod. That said, I would largely agree that just playing aggro is what this deck wants to do, especially when it has such an attritiony lategame already.
The mana is what scares me about the BW take as well. I put together a BW Tokens deck that's pretty crushing, but then it's almost exclusively white.
Welcome to 2012. Blue has the most efficient creatures, black has the all-in monocolored aggro deck, the most controlling deck in the format is green-red, control decks lose to aggro in attrition wars, and counterspells aren't an answer to fatties.
Pack Rat is like Bitterblossom and Tarmogoyf had a black baby.
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12 months ago ::
Jul 10, 2012 - 7:49PM
#128
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Date Joined:
Jul 29, 2006
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Sooo there is no way I'm going to be able to get the 2 phyrexian metamorphs I need before next friday and I was thinking of subbing in a card into a build like tehbeast's. 4 x Gravecrawler 4 x Diregraf Ghoul 3 x Fume Spitter 4 x Blood Artist 4 x Geralf's Messenger 3 x Soulcage Fiend 3 x Falkenrath Aristocrat 4 x Tragic Slip 3 x Incinerate 2 x Go for the Throat 1 x Killing Wave 3 x Mortarpod 4 x Dragonskull Summit 4 x Blackcleave Cliffs 14 x swamp I know that overall you use metamorphs effect to copy messangers/artists, so I figured that since I want my opponent to loose life and have a semi decent beatstick that dings him for three if he chumps with a 2 power creature isnt a horrible deal....admittedly it hits me for three as well but its more in theme in some ways than me throwing in 3 Highborn ghoul. Tell me what you think?
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12 months ago ::
Jul 11, 2012 - 5:55AM
#129
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I think the fiend works out for ya. The life gain off artist should help mitigate. Good luck!
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12 months ago ::
Jul 11, 2012 - 4:48PM
#130
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Date Joined:
Jun 14, 2006
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Soulcage Fiend seems like it'd be a solid replacement for Metamorph. Great idea, Eon!
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