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1 year ago ::
May 14, 2012 - 9:13AM
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1 year ago ::
May 14, 2012 - 6:39PM
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Date Joined:
Dec 22, 2006
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You need "Plan B" - Mana creatures
Pretty good idea to have 8-9 mana creatures to be part of Plan B if someone exile all your Unburial Rites
Ever thought of Tracker's Instincts/Mulch?
Divine Reckoning is bad...try Terminus or Day of Judgment
Elesh is token killer and Humans...get 3-4
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1 year ago ::
May 14, 2012 - 6:45PM
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I like reckoning over here for 2 reasons-well, 1 really. Liliana. It's a +1 pitch target and her -2 means I get a clear anyway, or use one of many kill spells I got. I totally forgot about elesh, tho fitting 4 in is not gonna happen. Maybe as a 1 of.
I can do the extra mana critters or something in the SB, but I like going all in for the main board. In my mind, if you start adding all this extra security, your primary plan starts slippin bad.
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1 year ago ::
May 14, 2012 - 6:52PM
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Date Joined:
Dec 22, 2006
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I never say it is good B but that is the best we got to move forward without Rites
How you win without Rites?
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1 year ago ::
May 14, 2012 - 11:27PM
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Stall and hard cast. Plenty of removal for it I think. But yeah...no real solid back up plan lol
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1 year ago ::
May 15, 2012 - 12:30AM
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Date Joined:
Oct 23, 2010
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Angel of Jubilation  does more damage to you than it probably does to most opponents, I'd either go wholesale on it (with no  creatures or Phyrexian Mana), or cut it in favor of something more power oriented. Abundant Growth  and Avacyn's Pilgrim  look to have promising roles here as well.
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1 year ago ::
May 15, 2012 - 7:27AM
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I'll cut AoJ for elesh norn...but how the heck am I supposed to fit a secondary ramp engine in? Cut the control? Doesnt sound good to me. Cut the ani targets? Also bad. Idkkkkk! Halp!
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1 year ago ::
May 16, 2012 - 2:18PM
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-1 angel of jubilation  +1 elesh norn, grand cenobite  Would like to squeeze another 1-2 surgical extraction  in. It's just a house currently, I always want multiples. It may mean replacing o-ring however. But o-ring hits walkers too, where simply bumping kill spells won't. Also need a way to access green mana turn 1 more effectively. The t2 liliana is just backbreaking to opponents and I gleefully love discarding my fat. Help on those items would be great!
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1 year ago ::
May 16, 2012 - 7:09PM
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Date Joined:
Oct 28, 2006
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That's actually fairly similar to something I've thrown together. Not had much chance to test it yet though, so any advice might go with a pinch of salt. Land 4x sunpetal grove  4x isolated chapel  4x woodland cemetery  4x evolving wilds  4x plains  2x forest  2x swamp  Setup 4x rampant growth  4x lingering souls  2x garruk relentless  2x sorin, lord of innistrad  3x liliana of the veil  Wincon 2x avacyn, angel of hope  2x sigarda, host of herons  2x wurmcoil engine  2x bloodgift demon  3x unburial rites  Removal 2x dismember  2x go for the throat  2x oblivion ring  3x day of judgement  1x divine reckoning  I do have a couple of observations on your list. I don't think a secondary ramp engine is neccesary, but what I do think is that the Birds don't work for you - If they consistently enabled a T2 Lili then possibly, but as it is you only have 3 green sources that come into play untapped on the first turn. As it is they mostly just allow the opponent to mess with your mana, which is never a good thing. Non-creature based ramp is a tiny bit slower but much more stable. I'm not a fan of the singleton approach to the fatties. Since you have no way to tutor a specific large creature to your hand you may be better served doubling up on the ones you want to see more often by cutting the less useful ones. Garruk relentless may be a good card to consider for your list - Not only does he help clog the board up a bit, but he can trade in a little creature (life a spirit token or wolf token) to find a fatty from your deck. planeswalkers in general also give you a reasonably viable alt-win in case of getting extracted. (although you should make sure that every fatty in your deck is one that it wouldn't take you too far out of your way to hardcast if you had to.) I kinda agree with the other posters on divine reckoning . You can get away with one or two in the list well enough, but you absolutely need some of your sweepers to be unconditional. Last but not least, I (and this is just personal preference) think you might be running 1 too many lili's and unburial rites. If you were looking for something to cut in order to get a little extra functionality into the deck I think you could drop both of those to 3-of's and not notice much difference. That said, I like the list. And I think the strategy may be quite well positioned with regards to the metagame.
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1 year ago ::
May 18, 2012 - 5:03PM
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Why do i need an unconditional sweeper? I have oodles of removal, i like holding onto my own BoP, and Lilly can handle what's left on the field. I come out on top every time I cast it, where I do not feel that way about DoJ.
Where would I fit in a garruk? I'm short on green as it is.
I'd still like to shore up the mana base and get a 3rd extraction in. Might cut a Divine Reckoning for it. Also, in theme with the removal-maybe going down 1 O-ring and up 1 dismember is in order. Yeah I like that.
I'm afraid of delver's bounce disruption more than the counter magic, as well as its tempo. Was thinking about running a misstep/gut shot package SB for that.
The new blood artist lists are quite nasty too-what's the deck tech to handle that pain?
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