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1 year ago ::
May 08, 2012 - 10:40AM
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I feel that blue has too much of a monopoly on counter spells. Now here me out i am aware of the existence of older non blue counter spells and that countering is supposed to be blues color pie strength. There about 23 non blue counter spells, most of them being really old and almost never reprinted, while there are about 148 blue ones, some of which often see reprinting. Almost all design variations of a counter spell end up in blue. Take a look at direct damage for example. It is primarily found in both Red and White. Red has the much stronger unrestricted direct damage in the forms of shock  , fireblast  , and pyroclasm  . Whites direct damage is usually restricted to only attacking and blocking creatures such as brigid, hero of kinsbaile  , coordinated barrage  , and catapult squad  . White direct damage appears often enough to keep Red from have a strict monopoly on the mechanic while at the same time the color pie still favors red more when it comes to direct damage thus making red the color to go to when you want to splash burn. With counter spells the primary division is between the "hard" counters like counterspell  and the "soft" counters like mana leak  . I personally feel that the soft counters should go to White. I love the flavor behind mana tithe  . White is all about prohibiting unwanted actions through laws. When you make a law against littering the punishment is usually a fee/fine. The fine will discourage most from littering who don't want to pay it, but not all. Inside there are some people who care not for the law and would rather pay the fine for the convenience of not having to deal with there trash. Thus these laws deter most, but not all. With the soft counters, its like making a law saying this action is not allowed and if you continue to try to do it then your gonna have to pay a fine. You could even take the flavor further and say that the law is enforced with magic that keeps you breaking it however if the user has a sufficient about of magic strength (in the form of extra mana) then they can overpower the magically enforced law. Thus is why i think that flavor wise "soft" counters fit better in white and should be a staple of the white color pie. Blue would still be the king of counter spells with the hard counters just like how red is still considered the king of direct damage. One more thing i have to rant about and it is exiling spells. Exiling spells is a fairly rare mechanic that was given to blue in the form of mindbreak trap  . I think this was a horrible missed opportunity to give it to another color (perhaps white which already solves most of its problems by exiling them). If red and black are for the most part forbidden from having ways of stopping enchantments(without splashing or artifacts) like circle of protection: red  , then blue should be just as forbidden from having solutions to uncounterable creatures and spells like kavu chameleon  . I recall some designers raising a fuss about liquimetal coating  giving red an indirect way of smashing enchantments, yet no one seems to care when blue gets a direct way to defeat uncounterables like time stop  or venser, shaper savant  .
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1 year ago ::
May 08, 2012 - 10:49AM
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Maybe white should get a share of the counterspell action. I personally like Lapse of Certainty  , though the general consensus was that it was "terrible". I got a few good uses out of it, but it's definitely no Mana Leak  . Mana Tithe  is pretty awesome, too. But Dawn Charm  , while versatile, is pretty weak countermagic. But, if countering starts to bleed into white, there is going to be an outcry that White Gets Everything, even moreso than there is currently.
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1 year ago ::
May 08, 2012 - 12:41PM
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Red ok, but white for direct damages ? How about black ? Pestilence  , Corrupt  , Drain Life  , Urborg Stalker  , Infernal Harvest  , Kaervek's Hex  , Vicious Hunger  , Famine  , Hasran Ogress  ... Still, black usually deals with life more than damages. Sure there has been D'avenant Archer  & Icatian Javelineers  before but that still wouldn't place white over black in that matter. Mana Tithe is pretty interesting but a unusual card in white. Same for Sunlance  . White is about continuous & passive control while blue is about temporary & active control. Absolute Law  , Absolute grace  , Aura of Silence  , Humility  , Honor of the Pure  , Stony Silence  & Pacifism  are some examples of what white is all about, continuous and passive control. You get them on the field and hope nobody breaks them before the end. For active and temporary control you have cards like Disenchant  & Swords to Plowshares  . Blue can't deal with permanents that way. Each color has its specific mechanics, why not keep it that way ? Personally I like Darkness  but it's a pretty unusual card in black. So maybe they should also consider adding damage prevention in black? Blue can exile spells, white can exile permanents: Swords to Plowshares & Return to Dust  . Maybe blue should be able to exile permanents too now, don't you think ? It would be fair for both colors. To each color its specificities and that's how the game is fun. Lapse of Certainty ... *cough, cough Memory Lapse  , cough*
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1 year ago ::
May 08, 2012 - 1:58PM
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The only reason I disagree with giving white counterspells is white already gets everything. White has exiling, mass removal, artifact/enchantment hate, efficient creatures, the best flyers, and multipurpose removal. White counterspelling makes sense in regards to flavor. I would have to say if white got counterspelling it would have to lose something big. In all seriousness I think green or black should get the minor counterspelling. Balance wise I think it makes sense in green. Then again it could work ok with the flavor of green. Something like this: Counter Progress  Counter target artifact or enchantment spell. Draw a card. Delayed Arrival  Counter target creature or artifact spell. Put that card on top of its owner's library.
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1 year ago ::
May 08, 2012 - 2:26PM
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The only reason I disagree with giving white counterspells is white already gets everything.
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In all seriousness I think green should get the minor counterspelling.
I'm noticing some incongr  uities  in your logic there :33.
Honestly I'd like to see em in black with more dash hopes  effects. Quality aside, it's a cool card, and fits black's flavor. They could even do variants like "counter unless they sac a creature," and what have you.
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1 year ago ::
May 08, 2012 - 2:39PM
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What they should do is give every color everything, homogenize the crap out of their game, then take all the money they've earned on the current game and go to the Bahamas and drink Mojitos on the beach.
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1 year ago ::
May 08, 2012 - 4:32PM
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But, if countering starts to bleed into white, there is going to be an outcry that White Gets Everything, even moreso than there is currently.
The only reason I disagree with giving white counterspells is white already gets everything.
See? Now imagine if M13 unveils a 2 mana Lapse of Certainty , or a Mana Tithe variant except the controller of the spell has to pay  .
There will be wars in the streets.
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1 year ago ::
May 08, 2012 - 4:46PM
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I still want to see the red stifle effects. banefire   instant exile target creature or artifact and Counter any activated or triggered abilities on the stack from that target.
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1 year ago ::
May 08, 2012 - 5:01PM
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Part of the fun of the game is being able to take account of the flow of each colour. Green counterspells would break the pattern too much. It'd be like black being able to deal with enchantments. It would alter, in a negative way, the character of each colour.
Also, **** Mindbreak Trap.
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1 year ago ::
May 08, 2012 - 5:27PM
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White's arsenal for board removal/control is already potent enough, you want to give it pre-board removal? Are you kidding me?
Black is much more well equipped than white when it comes to direct damage.
The only thing that's implied and about right in your post is that blue is too powerful, I agree with this one, half my decks use blue as one of their colors. It's the most splashable color because it's the one with the most versability (that's an opinion, but I think it's a shared opinion, proof : the cost of blue/color dual lands VS the cost of non-blue dual lands)
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