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May 8, 2012 -- 9:18AM, Chaikov wrote:

May 8, 2012 -- 9:10AM, Enigma256 wrote:

May 8, 2012 -- 9:02AM, Chaikov wrote:

May 8, 2012 -- 8:50AM, MRHblue wrote:

So Chaikov what happens when your opponent tries to cast it with the protection? You say "tough luck"?

Not «tough luck».
I would call a judge for illegal play: Cavern is set on Titan, but Sun Titan is a Giant.

since it can't be set on "Titan" what is the consequence there?

It depends.
If the mistake goes unnoticed, then so be it!
The Cavern will only be able to produce colorless mana. Boo hoo!

If anybody (player, judge or even bystander) reports it quickly, then THAT player gets a slap. But NOT ME!
Why would I get punished for my OPPONENT's mistake?

Actually, choosing "Titan" would be an illegal action and the game state would be rewound.  Choosing a creature type is a mandatory action, and the game rules only allow existing types to be chosen (205.3e of the Comp Rules).

First off, I really dislike to see questions and answers of this nature escalate to name-calling and insults.  Let's all play fair in the forums.  A question was asked to us, the community, and he (or she) would like an answer.  Let's all work together on that.

This is a question for the Tournament Rules, not the Comprehensive rules.  A post on the previous page included copy-and-pasted tournment rules that are relevant to this situation.  Competetive events are where valuable prizes are at stake, or high recognition or event coverage, etc. Playing in this manner by both opponents is not permissible. Page 1 of the Infraction Procedure Guide says, "It [the Infraction Procedure Guide] exists to protect players from potential misconduct and to protect the integrity of the tournament itself. Rules violations usually require a penalty or they are unenforceable."

The original starter of this thread (danhenneke) assumed he (or she) did not have to correct his opponent.  He (or she) had thought it was like not having to point out a missed, lapsing trigger.  However, missed triggers are a separate part of the tournament rules.  This instead falls under game rule violation (not failure to maintain game state).  The danger is that the error was not pointed out right away, and that possibly the error was not pointed out because danhenneke hoped to gain an advantage later in the game by his opponent not being able to cast a creature spell with the word Titan in it.  But there are quite a few creature types in the comprehensive rules.  Maybe danhenneke didn't know Titan wasn't on the list.  After all, who knew that Mutant, Ninja, and Turtle are on that list, hm?  Where's Teenage?

Hopefully that makes things clearer and easier to understand.  Should username danhenneke continue to play this way in a tournament, it may not a fair environment for his (or her) future opponents.  Judges could believe that this player is always looking for illegal game plays by an opponent in order to gain an advantage and advance in the rounds and up the ranks.  Therefore, there must be a penalty so that all players are always on high alert in the game to maintain legal game state.  That way, those that win prizes have done so due to skill, rules knowledge, and luck, as opposed to trickery and deceipt.

Out-of-game, here on the forums, I can't say which penalties would have been applied.  I would say, though, that this would be a 3.6 Game Play Error - Game Rule Violation and the penalty would be a Warning to both players.  I also took note of the Additional Remedy section.  It says, "the judge should leave the game state as it is...and not attempt any form of partial 'fix'--either reverse all actions or none, with the following exceptions:"  The first bullet listed is, "If a player made an illegal choice or failed to make a required choice for a permanent on the battlefield, that player makes a legal choice."  Danhenneke's opponent would choose Giant at this time.  That opponent should, in the future, name a legal creature type when playing Cavern of Souls .