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1 year ago ::
May 06, 2012 - 8:08PM
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so it doesn't "tap" the creature if it's no been marked with lethal damange... does the order matter? regen before vs. after a doom blade for example?
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1 year ago ::
May 06, 2012 - 8:11PM
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you can only regenerate before it is destroyed afterwards it is already in the graveyard the last time you can use regeneration before it is too late is in response to the Doom Blade 
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1 year ago ::
May 06, 2012 - 8:12PM
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Setting up a regeneration shield does nothing to the creature. Only when that shield is used will any of the other effects (like tapping the creature or removing it from combat) happen. And in order to save the creature, you must regenerate it before it's destroyed. You cannot regenerate something that's in the graveyard.
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1 year ago ::
May 06, 2012 - 8:16PM
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Once again, regeneration is a replacement effect. Specifically, it replaces the event of the relevant creature being destroyed. Playing a regeneration effect doesn't do anything right away. Instead it creates an effect, which a lot of people refer to as a "shield", that says "the next time this guy would be destroyed, instead do the following (or as much of it as applies): tap it, remove it from combat, and remove all damage from it". Absolutely nothing happens until the part in itallics actually applies, then it does its thing.
Notice, too, that this has absolutely nothing to do with rescuing anything from the graveyard; it keeps things from ever going there in the first place. I don't know if you (gecko) thought it did, but plenty of people do.
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1 year ago ::
May 06, 2012 - 8:20PM
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Setting up a regeneration shield does nothing to the creature. Only when that shield is used will any of the other effects (like tapping the creature or removing it from combat) happen. And in order to save the creature, you must regenerate it before it's destroyed. You cannot regenerate something that's in the graveyard.
I know you can't regenerate it once it leave the battlefield.
So, what is the outcome?
They use regenerate spell on my creature that is attacking.
Does it remain in combat, tapped and attacking, so the spell does nothing?
If the creature later took lethal damage or is doom bladed, does the regenerate spell have any effect still?
the situation is there are some folks I know that believe they can use "regenerate" ability to tap an opponents creature...
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1 year ago ::
May 06, 2012 - 8:23PM
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the shield holds till the end of turn
so if in that time the creature gets lethal damage or some other destroy effect it will be regenerated. if not the shield will just fade in the cleanup step
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1 year ago ::
May 06, 2012 - 8:31PM
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the shield holds till the end of turn
so if in that time the creature gets lethal damage or some other destroy effect it will be regenerated. if not the shield will just fade in the cleanup step
I guess I need to try to ask my question another way.
There are people here that say that because regenerate rules state that a creature is removed from combat, they can simply use their regenerate ability on an attacking creature to remove it from combat. Nothing about damage involved. simply as a mechanic to remove an attacking creature from combat.
(The next time that creature would be destroyed this turn, it isn't. Instead tap it, remove all damage from it, and remove it from combat.)
They can't do that because the regenerate doesn tap anything UNLESS the creature risks destruction first, correct?
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1 year ago ::
May 06, 2012 - 8:36PM
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yes, correct, they are wrong
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1 year ago ::
May 06, 2012 - 10:25PM
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Does it remain in combat, tapped and attacking, so the spell does nothing?
Yes.
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1 year ago ::
May 06, 2012 - 10:32PM
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[Regeneration] creates an effect, which a lot of people refer to as a "shield"...
There might be a reason for that...
701.12a (...) “Regenerate [permanent]” means
“The next time [permanent] would be destroyed this turn,
instead
remove all damage marked on it
and tap it
and
if it’s an attacking or blocking creature,
remove it from combat.”
701.12c Neither activating an ability that creates a regeneration shield
nor casting a spell that creates a regeneration shield
is the same as regenerating a permanent...
Take good note of rule 701.12c:
Activating a regeneration shield
is not the same as
actually regenerating a permanent.
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