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1 year ago ::
May 04, 2012 - 11:55PM
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Date Joined:
Jul 20, 2011
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Player A and Player B exchange control of Chromeshell Crab  and Grizzly Bears  . Then, player B leaves the game. Does Player A get their chromeshell crab back?
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1 year ago ::
May 05, 2012 - 12:02AM
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Date Joined:
Dec 16, 2010
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When a player leaves the game, all cards they own are taken with them. The owner of a card (not the legal owner mind you) is the player whose card the deck started in. So to answer your question, the crab would indeed be removed from play and go with player A.
DCI Level 2 Judge
Rockford, Illinois
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1 year ago ::
May 05, 2012 - 12:10AM
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Date Joined:
Jul 20, 2011
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So, the card would be exiled? I suppose the question was whether the controller effect would end at the end of the game and the crab would return to player A not exiled.
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1 year ago ::
May 05, 2012 - 12:16AM
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- Mogic Puzzle Master
- Plays Well With Others
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When a player dies all his control changing effects end. So the remaining player would get his creature back (but would lose the creature he got from the dead player).
DCI Level 2 Judge
"That's what's so stupid about the whole magic thing, you know," Rincewind said. "You spend twenty years learning the spell that makes nude virgins appear in your bedroom, and then you're so poisoned by quicksilver fumes and half-blind from reading old grimoires that you can't remember what happens next."
- Terry Pratchett, The Colour Of Magic
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1 year ago ::
May 05, 2012 - 12:37AM
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Date Joined:
Aug 13, 2001
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I think Segoth misread which player was leaving the game. When a player leaves the game:
- Everything they own leaves the game (it's not exiled, it ceases to exist entirely as far as that game is concerned),
- Any effects giving them control of any objects end,
- Any spells or abilities they control cease to exist,
- Then if they somehow still control anything, it's exiled ( Bribery
 is the canonical example of how this can happen).
It's item 2 that's relevant here; the effect exchanging control of the two creatures ends (but not before the Bears go poof), giving the Crab back to player A.
Jeff Heikkinen
DCI Rules Advisor since Dec 25, 2011
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1 year ago ::
May 05, 2012 - 12:56AM
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Date Joined:
Jul 20, 2011
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I think Segoth misread which player was leaving the game. When a player leaves the game:
- Everything they own leaves the game (it's not exiled, it ceases to exist entirely as far as that game is concerned),
- Any effects giving them control of any objects end,
- Any spells or abilities they control cease to exist,
- Then if they somehow still control anything, it's exiled ( Bribery is the canonical example of how this can happen).
It's item 2 that's relevant here; the effect exchanging control of the two creatures ends (but not before the Bears go poof), giving the Crab back to player A.
Thank you. I had a discussion with another player who believed that the chromeshell crab would be exiled when I left the game (I was given the crab). His belief was rule 4 (which I also knew) but I wasn't sure after he was adamant that it was exiled.
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1 year ago ::
May 05, 2012 - 2:35AM
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Date Joined:
Aug 13, 2001
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It's pretty unusual for anything to happen in step 4, given the existence of step 2. If it's not clear what the difference between 2 and 4 is, that's probably because my wording for step 2, above, is sloppy - it's effects that change the controller of something to the player who's leaving that end there. This includes the exchange from the Crab as well as things like Old Man of the Sea  and Act of Treason  (it would also apply to things like Mind Control  , which could get very confusing, but fortunately those won't survive step 1). It doesn't apply to Bribery because nothing changed the controller of the chosen card to the Bribery player - it always was that player, despite his (or her) not being its owner.
Jeff Heikkinen
DCI Rules Advisor since Dec 25, 2011
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