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Switch to Forum Live View 05/04/2012 LD: "Mixed Bag, Part 1"
1 year ago  ::  May 04, 2012 - 2:02PM #21
chronego
Date Joined: Jul 6, 2011
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May 4, 2012 -- 5:51AM, rmsgrey wrote:

Anyone else remember when a column like this would have had excerpts from multiverse? I've got nothing against seeing Zac's personal take, but it was kinda nice getting (selctions from) the combined comments of all of R&D on the card-file...


I too prefer seeing Multiverse comments in this sort of article.

Here, however, I don't mind so much because the set as a whole bores me, and I just want to stop reading about it. Multiverse comments would just make these articles take longer.

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1 year ago  ::  May 04, 2012 - 4:37PM #22
TobyornotToby
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May 4, 2012 -- 7:06AM, DragonMudd wrote:

I'm certain that development is aware how inaccurate this statement is; especially considering all the graveyard love from the previous set. Despite its flavorful roots, the graveyard has turned into a resource where cards are easy to access and the library has turned into the one place you can put a card that is the hardest to get it back from. I'm curious why this sentence is in here. Perhaps he was talking about flavorfully more than mechanically in some way?




Or limited, where the graveyard is the last place most of the time. 

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1 year ago  ::  May 04, 2012 - 7:51PM #23
ProfWalsh
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I just feel that Archangel is... Meh... It is too expensive to justify it ever being used in standard. Serra Angel may be 1 less power and toughness but it comes out two turns earlier. I can easily get a 6 cost creature in green/white in turn 3. Heck Sigarda in turn 3 is common... That is a 5/5 flying hex proof and more for less mana. Granted, it is a rare, but this should have been a 5 cost card.
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1 year ago  ::  May 04, 2012 - 9:19PM #24
longwinded
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As I mentioned earlier, if you're going to make an "Angel Set,"




While I understand the sentiment, I'm still left with my original question: but why? Why an angel set?

I understand that the story changed direction a bit when it was decided that you had to resolve Avacyn's story rather than "fade out" on another doomed world (a good decision, by the way). I get that the direction of the block was mechanically up in the air for a while, what with the sudden change from a "woe to humans" set to a "monsters rock" set in Dark Ascension. I can even appreciate the desire to flesh out what had been a rather niche tribe. (Heck, any time you get the urge to toss out a Serpent lord, I'll be more than happy to give it a spin.) But despite all that, you started with a gothic horror block. Or at the very least a gothic horror set. Where did that go?

The Eldrazi were a strange enough capstone to "D&D adventure world," even with the addition of ever-shifting terrain and floating monoliths to clue players in on the plane's innate weirdness. But going from werewolves, vampires, and Dr. Jekyll to angels vs. demons in one block? That's a pretty hard left turn.

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1 year ago  ::  May 04, 2012 - 9:21PM #25
Fenix.
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May 3, 2012 -- 9:53PM, Fireballmage wrote:

I don't like one-upmanship in cards. It just feels underwhelming and uncreative, and it makes those original cards a lot less special. It's like "Hey, this card is cool, let's make another version of this card that's even cooler!" I don't think Angel of Glory's Rise is overpowered or anything, nor is it "better" than its Black counterpart, but its mere existence makes Zombie Apocalypse feel much less flavorful when a near-flavorless and strict mechanical opposite is made in the very next set.

If you want to compare how they feel, just look at the rules text. "Destroy all Humans" is a powerful line that inspires fear; "exile all Zombies" sounds like you're kicking the Zombies out of your country. One is flavorfully driven, the other is mechanically driven.



I agree with you. As someone that loved Zombie Apocalypse , I find Angel of Glory's Rise to be depressively oppressive. I know you wanted to one-up Zombie-Apocalypse, but you basicaly shat on it. The angel is even more splashable. It's a shame really.

May 4, 2012 -- 1:09AM, TobyornotToby wrote:

Or how I really thought Curse of Oblivion was costed for weeks and casted it as such.



Why would you want to cast that card either way?


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Nov 27, 2012 -- 6:39AM, Mata_Hari wrote:

Nov 27, 2012 -- 12:26AM, BankaiMastery wrote:

Okay, here is the clincher. I've been waiting to say this.

The "cam girl" this was inspired by was just a girl from a social networking website, Stickam. Her name was TinyTerror and she was just a regular girl who was on her webcam, totally unrelated to any type of adult content.

I hope you all feel really smart now.

This is like someone coming into class with a bloody nose and everyone's like "Jeez what happened to you" and they're like "I ran into a wall" and everyone laughs at them for being an idiot but then at the end of the class they say "HAHA JUST KIDDING I PUNCHED MYSELF IN THE FACE!!!!!! TALK ABOUT OWNED HAHAHAHAHA"


Oct 25, 2012 -- 9:53PM, magicpablo666 wrote:

I really enjoy imagining this from Kevin's perspective. Because in Kevin's world, Rosewater actually reads everything he types. Mark is sitting there right now, reading this, and thinking "The greatest trick the devil ever pulled. . ." Or some such. He chuckles low, then clicks on "The Best Of KEVINSET" and says "Yes, this'll do just fine. A busty lady with banding who deals direct damage to Zones!? Why this will be the star of my next set, and no one will ever believe you Kevin." Then he closes his Macbook, so his servant may move it out of the way, while another servant puts a Fetal Richard Garfield Clone lathered in Steak Sauce in front of him. Then Mark Feasts.


Sorin walked into the chamber where his newly wed bride, Vampy, awaited. A beam of moonlight illuminated his brilliant silver hair as he strode with confidence towards the bed. His shirtless body showcased his powerful abdominal muscles and he was wearing jeans with holes in the knees.


Nov 24, 2012 -- 8:07PM, felisdomesticus wrote:

Nov 24, 2012 -- 7:19PM, CherylCheryl wrote:

I wish more girls play magic cards...


Have you considered assassinating Kevin?

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1 year ago  ::  May 05, 2012 - 2:14AM #26
TobyornotToby
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May 4, 2012 -- 9:21PM, Fenix. wrote:

May 4, 2012 -- 1:09AM, TobyornotToby wrote:

Or how I really thought Curse of Oblivion was costed for weeks and casted it as such.



Why would you want to cast that card either way?




Spider Spawning and Burning Vengeance .

May 4, 2012 -- 7:51PM, ProfWalsh wrote:

I just feel that Archangel is... Meh... It is too expensive to justify it ever being used in standard. Serra Angel may be 1 less power and toughness but it comes out two turns earlier. I can easily get a 6 cost creature in green/white in turn 3. Heck Sigarda in turn 3 is common... That is a 5/5 flying hex proof and more for less mana. Granted, it is a rare, but this should have been a 5 cost card.




It is supposed to be meh and not be used in Standard, They're cards for Limited.  

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1 year ago  ::  May 05, 2012 - 7:22AM #27
Dolorosa
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Most of the shown cards are pretty awful. It's hard to care about the background of cards that are just skimmed over and shoved into Jank Boxes to be forgotten about for all eternity. Why not something like Lightning Mauler? I guess all the good cards were talked about during Previews week so this is what we're left with.

"I mention all of this because the flavor text for Killing Wave elicited a bigger reaction than any other card I can remember seeing. It's just awesome, and so is Liliana."

Lol no. Absolutely not.
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1 year ago  ::  May 05, 2012 - 7:30AM #28
Fenix.
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May 5, 2012 -- 2:14AM, TobyornotToby wrote:

Spider Spawning and Burning Vengeance .



I assume the format was ISD block limited? Cause Nihil Spellbomb is such a superior card it's funny. Actually, even if you manage to cast Curse of Oblivion they are not hosed, as they can exile lands and other useless things they have milled in their graveyards. Curse of Oblivion is sooooo bad .

May 5, 2012 -- 7:22AM, Dolorosa wrote:

Most of the shown cards are pretty awful. It's hard to care about the background of cards that are just skimmed over and shoved into Jank Boxes to be forgotten about for all eternity. Why not something like Lightning Mauler? I guess all the good cards were talked about during Previews week so this is what we're left with.

"I mention all of this because the flavor text for Killing Wave elicited a bigger reaction than any other card I can remember seeing. It's just awesome, and so is Liliana."

Lol no. Absolutely not.



Zac Hill said "is so Liliana", not "so is Liliana" and he's absolutely right. Learn to read.


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Nov 27, 2012 -- 6:39AM, Mata_Hari wrote:

Nov 27, 2012 -- 12:26AM, BankaiMastery wrote:

Okay, here is the clincher. I've been waiting to say this.

The "cam girl" this was inspired by was just a girl from a social networking website, Stickam. Her name was TinyTerror and she was just a regular girl who was on her webcam, totally unrelated to any type of adult content.

I hope you all feel really smart now.

This is like someone coming into class with a bloody nose and everyone's like "Jeez what happened to you" and they're like "I ran into a wall" and everyone laughs at them for being an idiot but then at the end of the class they say "HAHA JUST KIDDING I PUNCHED MYSELF IN THE FACE!!!!!! TALK ABOUT OWNED HAHAHAHAHA"


Oct 25, 2012 -- 9:53PM, magicpablo666 wrote:

I really enjoy imagining this from Kevin's perspective. Because in Kevin's world, Rosewater actually reads everything he types. Mark is sitting there right now, reading this, and thinking "The greatest trick the devil ever pulled. . ." Or some such. He chuckles low, then clicks on "The Best Of KEVINSET" and says "Yes, this'll do just fine. A busty lady with banding who deals direct damage to Zones!? Why this will be the star of my next set, and no one will ever believe you Kevin." Then he closes his Macbook, so his servant may move it out of the way, while another servant puts a Fetal Richard Garfield Clone lathered in Steak Sauce in front of him. Then Mark Feasts.


Sorin walked into the chamber where his newly wed bride, Vampy, awaited. A beam of moonlight illuminated his brilliant silver hair as he strode with confidence towards the bed. His shirtless body showcased his powerful abdominal muscles and he was wearing jeans with holes in the knees.


Nov 24, 2012 -- 8:07PM, felisdomesticus wrote:

Nov 24, 2012 -- 7:19PM, CherylCheryl wrote:

I wish more girls play magic cards...


Have you considered assassinating Kevin?

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1 year ago  ::  May 05, 2012 - 10:03PM #29
ProfWalsh
Date Joined: Jun 20, 2011
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May 5, 2012 -- 2:14AM, TobyornotToby wrote:

May 4, 2012 -- 9:21PM, Fenix. wrote:

May 4, 2012 -- 1:09AM, TobyornotToby wrote:

Or how I really thought Curse of Oblivion was costed for weeks and casted it as such.



Why would you want to cast that card either way?




Spider Spawning and Burning Vengeance .

May 4, 2012 -- 7:51PM, ProfWalsh wrote:

I just feel that Archangel is... Meh... It is too expensive to justify it ever being used in standard. Serra Angel may be 1 less power and toughness but it comes out two turns earlier. I can easily get a 6 cost creature in green/white in turn 3. Heck Sigarda in turn 3 is common... That is a 5/5 flying hex proof and more for less mana. Granted, it is a rare, but this should have been a 5 cost card.




It is supposed to be meh and not be used in Standard, They're cards for Limited.  






You can't excuse bad design with, "Well it is for limited."

All cards should be good in some way.

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1 year ago  ::  May 05, 2012 - 11:48PM #30
Alter_Boy
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Angel of Glory's Rise exiles zombies and reanimates humans because she is turning the zombies back into humans. It's not as obvious as ZomApoc, but it's there on the flavour text. 

It's interesting that Zac admits that he loves to put expensive activated abilities on his card. In the debate with MaRo, did he make a fake creature card with an expensive activated ability and said that people in WotC like to do that, and it was poor design?  
"People want balance but can't accept this homogenization that occurs as a result of that balance being implemented. then they complain that the fighter is weaker than the wizard ad nauseam.: - Teitan
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