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Switch to Forum Live View 05/04/2012 LD: "Mixed Bag, Part 1"
1 year ago  ::  May 03, 2012 - 5:46PM #1
Garmichael
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This thread is for discussion of this week's Latest Developments, which goes live Friday morning on magicthegathering.com.
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1 year ago  ::  May 03, 2012 - 9:06PM #2
coien
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Honestly, I find that gushing over Archangel a little odd. I think people have come to expect more from their rares than 5/5 vigilance and flying for 7 and would not have been impressed to open it and see Archangel in the rare slot. The flavor also seems a bit off, as Archangel sounds like it should be top of the food chain and in this set it's a mediocre angel at best.
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1 year ago  ::  May 03, 2012 - 9:53PM #3
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I don't like one-upmanship in cards. It just feels underwhelming and uncreative, and it makes those original cards a lot less special. It's like "Hey, this card is cool, let's make another version of this card that's even cooler!" I don't think Angel of Glory's Rise is overpowered or anything, nor is it "better" than its Black counterpart, but its mere existence makes Zombie Apocalypse feel much less flavorful when a near-flavorless and strict mechanical opposite is made in the very next set.

If you want to compare how they feel, just look at the rules text. "Destroy all Humans" is a powerful line that inspires fear; "exile all Zombies" sounds like you're kicking the Zombies out of your country. One is flavorfully driven, the other is mechanically driven.

As for the article, I love card-by-card analysis articles, since they offer a unique perspective.
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1 year ago  ::  May 03, 2012 - 10:14PM #4
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I love Rosewater's card-by-card articles, and Zac's hit the same notes that I like (individual comments on the cards with development anecdotes), while offering a different perspective.

It's more of something that I love, with enough differences to make it not feel like "more of the same." Can't wait for Part II, and I hope Zac makes this a regular thing!
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1 year ago  ::  May 03, 2012 - 11:16PM #5
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May 3, 2012 -- 9:06PM, coien wrote:

Honestly, I find that gushing over Archangel a little odd. I think people have come to expect more from their rares than 5/5 vigilance and flying for 7 and would not have been impressed to open it and see Archangel in the rare slot. The flavor also seems a bit off, as Archangel sounds like it should be top of the food chain and in this set it's a mediocre angel at best.




Indeed.  I think it's a completely bland card.  The name would indicate some really powerful Angel, not something you'd see at uncommon.  At the same time, it's completely generic (no "of such-and-such" at the end).  And the design is just " Serra Angel with +1/+1 for more".  It feels completely out of place among the other Angels of the set, with their much more interesting designs.

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1 year ago  ::  May 03, 2012 - 11:20PM #6
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We've done this a few times, and frequently it's controversial. Blightsteel Colossus, for example, was and is a very polarizing card—but it does for sure convey the "turning" of one of Mirrodin's most iconic forces. A similar motivation drove the design of this card, too.




Er.  What?  Blightsteel Colossus is a polarizing card, but not, to my knowledge, because how dare you invert my beloved Darksteel Colossus or anything.  I honestly can't think of any "reversals" that are controversial strictly because they're reversals.  Did you have something in mind here?  I really doubt people are going to be rioting against Angel of Glory's Rise, either.

(I'm of the BSC-was-a-bad-idea camp, mind, but sure, there's some passing coolness in adding infect to something from Mirrodin, that isn't in dispute anymore than Shadowmoor's many reversals of Lorwyn cards.  It's a bad card for the same reason that printing any 22/11 trampling indestructible "creature" is a bad idea, no matter the flavor excuse.)

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1 year ago  ::  May 03, 2012 - 11:27PM #7
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I actually never knew it was called Crypt Creeper. I have always glossed over the second word in my mind subconciously and called it Crypt Keeper. And it's not like I haven't played the card either....
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1 year ago  ::  May 04, 2012 - 12:44AM #8
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I hope everybody enjoyed your Avacyn Restored Prerelease and managed to escape with some cool goodies courtesy of the Helvault.



nope, mine contained only suck that is worth $1, like most of the others too. thx for the needless hype.

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1 year ago  ::  May 04, 2012 - 1:09AM #9
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Cool stories I also hope this stays a regular feature =)


Oh Blood Artist is a he? On card size I thought it was a she... 
Luckily I was too busy drooling over Bruna, Light of Alabaster

May 3, 2012 -- 11:27PM, felduir wrote:

I actually never knew it was called Crypt Creeper. I have always glossed over the second word in my mind subconciously and called it Crypt Keeper. And it's not like I haven't played the card either....




Nothing compared to how EVERYONE on the ChannelFireball crew calls the Hollowhenge cards 'Guardian'. Hollowhenge Scavenger is called Hollowhenge Guardian . Hollowhenge Spirit is called  Hollowhenge Guardian . Hollowhenge Beast is called Hollowhenge Guardian .

Or how I really thought Curse of Oblivion was costed for weeks and casted it as such.

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1 year ago  ::  May 04, 2012 - 2:01AM #10
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'I want a t-shirt that declares, simply, "I hate angels."'

Don't worry - after everyone's been drafting the set for a couple of weeks, I'm pretty sure you won't be short of volunteers to make you one!

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