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1 year ago ::
May 03, 2012 - 9:56AM
#11
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Date Joined:
Apr 16, 2012
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Thanks. For some reason I thought that SBAs were checked only when passing priority and the stack was empty. So The Mimeoplasm  enter the battlefield with... is not a trigger, but a static ability? I was only aware of three kinds of 'things' (for lack of a better term). Mana-abilities, which happen whenever needed and do not use the stack. Static abilities which are always true and do not use the stack. And cast/triggered spells/abilities which alawys use the stack. I read The Mimeoplasm to have a ETB triggered ability that allows exile of two cards, and the resolution of that ability was to set power and toughness. What did I miss?
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1 year ago ::
May 03, 2012 - 10:00AM
#12
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Date Joined:
Oct 29, 2007
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1) triggered abilities start with [When/Whenever/At] which you'll note The Mimeoplasm doesn't say. 2) if it was a triggered ability The Mimeoplam would likely be in the graveyard before the trigger even resolved (for having 0 toughness) There are many static abilities that generate replacement effects that mod how a permanent enters the field. Clone  Vigean Hydropon  Iona, Shield of Emeria  Diregraf Ghoul  Kismet  etc. Typically, they do this as part of the entrance to the field to have an effect or status already in place (Iona or Clone or Ghoul or Kismet) or to keep the creature alive (Hydropon)
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1 year ago ::
May 03, 2012 - 12:02PM
#13
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Date Joined:
Oct 18, 2009
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Thanks. For some reason I thought that SBAs were checked only when passing priority and the stack was empty.
So The Mimeoplasm enter the battlefield with... is not a trigger, but a static ability?
I was only aware of three kinds of 'things' (for lack of a better term). Mana-abilities, which happen whenever needed and do not use the stack. Static abilities which are always true and do not use the stack. And cast/triggered spells/abilities which alawys use the stack. I read The Mimeoplasm to have a ETB triggered ability that allows exile of two cards, and the resolution of that ability was to set power and toughness.
What did I miss?
Just to clarify, SBA's are checked any time priority would pass--even if the stack is not empty. That is how you can respond to something being given protection or being made indestructible and have it work.
2goth explained why this example doesn't use the stack though.
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1 year ago ::
May 03, 2012 - 12:05PM
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Date Joined:
Apr 16, 2012
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Thanks. So the key seems to be the difference between the wording :
When 'x' enters the battlefield
versus
As 'x' enters the battlefield.
The former is a trigger and the later a replacement effect?
And the replacement effect replaces entering the battlefield with 'do something more while entering the battlefield'? I assume that this replacement effect still triggers other ETB effects on other cards?
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1 year ago ::
May 03, 2012 - 12:09PM
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Date Joined:
Oct 13, 2002
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Yes, anything that starts with "at," "when," or "whenever" is a triggered ability.
The replacement effect still has the creature entering the battlefield, so the modified event will still trigger ETB abilities.
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1 year ago ::
May 03, 2012 - 12:09PM
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Date Joined:
Jul 28, 2010
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yes, correct
the replacement effect happens before it actually enters, the ETB trigger after it entered
it also doesn't matter if the replacement effect or ETB trigger is on the card itself or on another card
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