An opponent casts and resolves The Mimeoplasm . They choose the two cards to exile. The creature to copy is irrelevant, but the creature that sets the number of counters is Lord of Extinction .
How many +1/+1 counters does The Mimeoplasm enter the battlefield with? (Assume for the purposes of this calculation that there are a total of 18 cards in all graveyards at the time The Mimeoplasm starts to resolve.)
If Mistform Ultimus is in the graveyard, the Ultimus will lose its ability that says "Mistform Ultimus is every creature type," but it will still *be* all creature types. The way continuous effects work, Mistform Ultimus 's type-changing ability is applied before Yixlid Jailer 's ability removes it.
/edit: looking up the layers again I think this is a wrong example ability removing effects are in layer 6, power/toughness is in layer 7
If Mistform Ultimus is in the graveyard, the Ultimus will lose its ability that says "Mistform Ultimus is every creature type," but it will still *be* all creature types. The way continuous effects work, Mistform Ultimus 's type-changing ability is applied before Yixlid Jailer 's ability removes it.
No, it does not. Sorry.
The Changeling ability applies in layer 4. The Lord's CDA sets power and toughness, and therefore applies in 7a. Adding and removing abilities is a Layer 6 effect, and therefore removes the Lord's CDA before it can be applied, unlike other CDAs that apply in any other layer..
How to autocard (do this to specify a card in your posts): Type [c]Black Lotus[/c] to get Black Lotus . Type [c=Black Lotus]The Overpowered One[/c] to get The Overpowered One .
no, it's a replacement effect so it looks at the gamestate immediately before the event, at which point LoE has a P/T of 0/0 (unless Yixlid Jailer has been ruled previously not to affect CDA's which the last ruling on it seems to imply that there hasn't been) and will add no counters.
In a case without Jailer, Plasm would get additional counters based on LoE still being in the yard. eg. there are 18 cards in the yard (including LoE), LoE will be a 16/16 in exile, but Plasm gets 18 +1/+1 counters
I don't think dependency is relevant here.
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I am not trying to challenge the ruling, I am trying to understand it and how to get at the correct result, because I would never arrive at this result.
Here is what I see:
The Mimeoplasm resolves and enters the battlefield. Theoretically the stack is empy at this point. This is where I get confused. This is not written as a cost- Exile two cards from a graveyard:The Mimeoplasm copys one, etc. So it isn't a cost. I would think this is a choice, so the copy one card, take power and toughness of the other goes on the stack. Then Exile two cards from the battlefield goes on the stack choosing Runeclaw Bear and Lord of Extinction .
Point A for future reference...
The move to exile resolves. We are still in the stack, so no SBA occurs, so Lord of Extinction still has no abilities, and has a P/T of 0/0. (Well, */*) The "if you do" ability on the stack resolves, and you choose to copy Runeclaw Bear and add +1/+1 from Lord of Extinction The stack is now empty. SBA looks and sees that Lord of Extinction is no longer in the graveyard and restores the power/toughness of 16, but it is too late for The Mimeoplasm
At point A, if I used a counter ability to keep the cards from moving to exile, what would happen? Is this the proper course of events?
You can't interfere with the exiling once The Mimeoplasm starts to resolve.
The Mimeoplasm is in the process of resolving (it's still on the stack), the last step is it entering the field, where its static ability changes how it enters the field.
The event is [Put the Mimeoplasm on the field] which becomes [Put The Mimeoplasm on the field, exile creature card A, exile creature card B, The Mimeoplasm copies card A, The Mimeoplasm enters with (power of card B) +1/+1 counters] assuming they opt to do the exile. This event is happening while cards A & B are still in the graveyard, so the power the event uses is that of the card as it exists in the yard.
It gets even sillier if there's a second The Mimeoplasm in a yard as you can create an arbitrarily large loop by just exiling The Mimeoplasm card and one other creature card repeatedly, getting an arbitrarily large number of +1/+1 counters added.
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RPJesus: "Man, screw the rules, I'll play a game of 2HG Archenemy Planechase Emperor EDH draft yet. Once I figure out the rules for it..." Chaikov: "Of course, casual Magic may be played any way your Pokemon group agrees on..." and "It's not logic. It's Magic!" GainsBanding: "I only play online. The Magic Online shuffler is AWESOME!" Ikegami: "one might think [adult cats] would make excellent tokens. The issue, though, is that they are very hard to exile. They return to the battlefield more often than an undying creature." Astarael7: "Does 121.1 imply that players are supposed to wear their poison counters?" Bimmerbot: "If you move the wrong way and [the poison counters] fall, it's a game rule violation" Helluminatus: "Just remember, if it looks like a duck, smells like a duck, and quacks like a duck, but the oracle text says creature - Bunny , then by god, it's a bunny." MadCow21: "Who are you and what have you done with the real Chaikov?"
I am not trying to challenge the ruling, I am trying to understand it and how to get at the correct result, because I would never arrive at this result.
Here is what I see:
The Mimeoplasm resolves and enters the battlefield. Theoretically the stack is empy at this point. This is where I get confused. This is not written as a cost- Exile two cards from a graveyard:The Mimeoplasm copys one, etc. So it isn't a cost. I would think this is a choice, so the copy one card, take power and toughness of the other goes on the stack. Then Exile two cards from the battlefield goes on the stack choosing Runeclaw Bear and Lord of Extinction .
Point A for future reference...
The move to exile resolves. We are still in the stack, so no SBA occurs, so Lord of Extinction still has no abilities, and has a P/T of 0/0. (Well, */*) The "if you do" ability on the stack resolves, and you choose to copy Runeclaw Bear and add +1/+1 from Lord of Extinction The stack is now empty. SBA looks and sees that Lord of Extinction is no longer in the graveyard and restores the power/toughness of 16, but it is too late for The Mimeoplasm
At point A, if I used a counter ability to keep the cards from moving to exile, what would happen? Is this the proper course of events?
If SBA's are not checked at Point A, then how can you cast a spell or use an ability? SBA's are checked whenever priority would pass, and this is also when spells can be cast or abilities used. You can't cast a spell during the resolution of another.
