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1 year ago  ::  May 02, 2012 - 4:19PM #1
Garmichael
Date Joined: Jun 24, 2008
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This thread is for discussion of this week's From the Lab article, which goes live Thursday morning on magicthegathering.com.

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1 year ago  ::  May 02, 2012 - 10:06PM #2
Vektor480
Date Joined: Apr 5, 2008
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In the last deck, Alchemist's Refuge < /a> is listed as a creature, while it's actually a land. Also, Soul of the Harvest is a creature, but it's listed as "other spells".
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For autocarding, write [c][/c] with the name of the card inside it.

[c]Island[/c] = Island

For linking a card to Gatherer without writting the name of said card for readers, use the autocard brackets together with and equal sign and right the name of the real card. Then put the message you want inside the tags, like you would do with autocarding. Like this:

[c=Curse of the Cabal]Captain Never-resolves[/c] = Captain Never-resolves

For using the decklist format, follow this:
[deck]
4* Terramorphic Expanse
4* Evolving Wilds
...
[/deck]

It equals:

4 x Terramorphic Expanse
4 x Evolving Wilds
...



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Jan 14, 2012 -- 5:42PM, Vektor480 wrote:

I like storm crow because I really like crows in real life, as an animal, and the card isn't terribly stupid, but packs a good deal of nostalgia and also a chunck of the game's history. So it's perhaps one of the cards I have most affection to, but not because "lol storm crow is bad hurr hurr durr".


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  The Island, Come And See, The Landlord's Daughter, You'll Not Feel The Drowning - The Decemberists by vimschy



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Mar 17, 2011 -- 10:28PM, Qmark wrote:

Mar 17, 2011 -- 10:15PM, ROBRAM89 wrote:

Although I do assume you deliberately refer to them (DCI) as The Grand Imperial Convocation of Evil just for the purposes of making them sound like an ancient and terrible conspiracy.

Now, now.
1994 doesn't quite qualify as "ancient".


Oct 11, 2011 -- 9:43PM, Tevish_Szat wrote:

Oh, it's a brilliant plan.  You see, Bolas was travelling through shadowmoor, causing trouble, when he saw a Wickerbough Elder with its stylin' dead scarecrow hat.  Now, Bolas being Bolas took the awesome hat and he put it on his head, but even with all his titanic powers of magic he couldn't make it fit.  He grabbed some more scarecrows, but then a little kithkin girl asked if he was trying to build a toupee.  "BY ALL THE POWERS IN THE MULTIVERSE!" he roared, "I WILL HAVE A HAT WORTHY OF MY GLORY." and so he went through his Dark Lore of Doom (tm) looking for something he could make into a hat that would look as stylish on him as a scarecrow does on a treefolk.  He thought about the Phyrexians, but they were covered in goopy oil that would make his nonexistant hair greasy.  He Tried out angels for a while but they didn't sit quite right.  Then, he looked under "e" (because in the Elder Draconic alphabet, "e" for Eldrazi is right next to "h" for Hat) in his Dark Lore of Doom and saw depictions of the Eldrazi, and all their forms.
"THIS SHALL BE MY HAT!" he declared, poking a picture of Emrakul, "AND WITH IT I WILL USHER IN A NEW AGE OF DARKNESS -- ER, I MEAN A NEW AGE OF FASHION!"

And so Nicol Bolas masterminded the release of the Eldrazi.


Feb 25, 2012 -- 2:54PM, Mown wrote:

Rhox War Monk just flips pancakes, and if games have told us anything, it's that food = life.


Jul 11, 2011 -- 10:47PM, Qmark wrote:

Jul 11, 2011 -- 10:36PM, SleetFox wrote:

This thread has gotten creepy.  XP

Really?
Really?

The last couple days have been roughly every perverse fetish imaginable, but it only got "creepy" when speculation on Mother of Runes's mob affiliation came up?


Jun 26, 2011 -- 5:52AM, MrQuizzles wrote:

Jun 26, 2011 -- 4:59AM, Mown wrote:

Jun 26, 2011 -- 4:44AM, skeindubh wrote:


4 tropical island
4 savannah
4 bayou
4 taiga
4 savannah


Nice mana base.
Not really.



Yeah, really. If my deck was going to cost $1000+, I'd at least make it good.


May 2, 2011 -- 8:18AM, desolation_masticore wrote:

I like to think up what I consider clever names for my decks, only later to be laughed at by my wife. It kills me a little on the inside, but thats what marriage is about.


Apr 3, 2011 -- 1:39AM, DrWorm wrote:

Apr 3, 2011 -- 12:02AM, crazysamaritan wrote:

Of course, the best use [of tolaria west ] is transmuting for the real Tolaria.



Absolutely.  I used to loose to my buddy's Banding deck for ages, it was then that I found out about Tolaria , and I was finally able win my first game.


Aug 30, 2011 -- 5:17PM, Maraxas-of-Keld wrote:

WOAH

wait wait wait

Aug 30, 2011 -- 5:07PM, RPJesus wrote:

You know, being shallow and jusdgmental aside, "I later found out that Jon infiltrated his way into OKCupid dates with at least two other people"



Aug 30, 2011 -- 5:07PM, RPJesus wrote:

"I later found out that Jon infiltrated his way into OKCupid dates with at least two other people"



Aug 30, 2011 -- 5:07PM, RPJesus wrote:

Jon infiltrated his way into OKCupid dates



Aug 30, 2011 -- 5:07PM, RPJesus wrote:

Jon infiltrated



OH MY GOD


Nov 22, 2011 -- 3:52PM, Pontiac wrote:

The only way I'd cast this card is into a bonfire.


Oct 10, 2011 -- 8:55PM, Glasir wrote:

The short answer is that there's no rule barring annoying people from posting, but there a rule barring us from harassing them about it.


Jan 21, 2011 -- 7:11AM, Qmark wrote:


Browbeat is a card that is an appropriate deck choice when there's no better idea available.
"No better idea available" was pretty much the running theme of Odyssey era.


Jul 10, 2012 -- 11:28AM, Dragon_Nut wrote:

Or perhaps it was a more straightforward comment indicating a wish for you to be bitten (Perhaps repeatedly) by a small yet highly venomous arachnid.



Aug 3, 2011 -- 6:46PM, ChaosLight wrote:

You're an idiot, and I'm in no mood for silliness.


Oct 10, 2011 -- 7:30PM, Vektor480 wrote:

Oct 10, 2011 -- 5:53PM, Rubik wrote:

You just... Vektor it.


That's the answer to everything.


Jan 17, 2011 -- 6:16PM, Maraxas-of-Keld wrote:

Jan 17, 2011 -- 5:58PM, Ragnarokio wrote:


I think the problem is that you don't exist.


This would sound great out of context!


Dec 19, 2011 -- 9:07PM, Dilleux_Lepaire wrote:

Modern is like playing a new tournament every time : you build a deck, you win with it, don't bother keeping it. Just build another, its key pieces will get banned.


Aug 4, 2011 -- 2:15PM, Mown wrote:

Aug 4, 2011 -- 1:45PM, Suudsu2200 wrote:


I specifically remember posting a thread when I was just a witty bitty noob.


You make it sound like that's still not the case.


Jan 4, 2011 -- 3:04AM, Niklor wrote:

Rap is what happens when the c from crap is taken away.


Doug Beyer:

But sometimes it's also challenging. Because sometimes OH MY GOD, WHAT THE HELL IS THIS THING?


Mar 20, 2012 -- 1:32PM, Terti wrote:

Flashforward five thousand years (Click for atmosphere) :


Aug 15, 2011 -- 8:06PM, Veslfen wrote:

to paraphrase Jeff Goldblum, Vektor finds a way.


Aug 1, 2011 -- 12:35AM, Ragnarokio wrote:

when in rome RAPE AND PILLAGE


Jan 31, 2012 -- 11:23AM, TchainT wrote:

I always find it helpful when im angry to dress up in an owl costume and rub pennies all over my body in front of a full body mirror next to the window.


Dymecoar:

Playing Magic without Blue is like sleeping without any sheets or blankets.  You can do it...but why?


Omega137:

Me: "I love the moment when a control deck stabilizes. It feels so... right."
Omega137: "I like the life drop part until you get there, it's the MtG variant of bungee jumping"


Zigeif777:

Just do it like Yu-Gi-Oh or monkeys: throw all the crap you got at them and hope it works or else the by-standers (or opponents) just get dirty and pissed.


Apr 1, 2011 -- 10:29AM, JustTerrorIt wrote:

Apr 1, 2011 -- 10:09AM, quadibloc wrote:

It's true that Alpha and Beta didn't contain any cards like Tarmogoyf , Darksteel Colossus , or Platinum Angel . It just contained weak, insignificant cards like Black Lotus , Mox Sapphire , and Time Walk .


Normally it's difficult to pick up on your jokes/sarcasm. But this one's pretty much out there. Good progress. You have moved up to Humanoid. You'll be Human in no time.


Sep 26, 2010 -- 5:11PM, Test-Subject_217601 wrote:

Sep 26, 2010 -- 5:06PM, NeoMint wrote:

I didn't know Samurai were known to be able to cut down whole armies...


They can when they're using lightsabers !


Sep 19, 2011 -- 11:59AM, Sebanovich wrote:

Sep 19, 2011 -- 11:54AM, Long_Con wrote:

My wife brought home a baby black squirrel they found on a horse track and cared for it for a few days.  We named it Grixis, but it died. 


Unearth it!


Jan 15, 2011 -- 8:07PM, Maraxas-of-Keld wrote:

I'm a Da Vinci Neurok.





And I'm on Magic Arcana. How about you?
Oh, by the way, I'm also on From the Lab now.
Twice, actually. And now with my own submited decklist!
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1 year ago  ::  May 03, 2012 - 12:10AM #3
MordainThade
Date Joined: Jan 27, 2012
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Just thought I'd point out that the Misthollow Griffin deck can theoretically pop off on turn 2, with a perfect hand and turn 2 draw.

T1 - Forest, BoP / Hierarch.*

T2 - Land, Food Chain
Sac mana critter, 2 mana, Wall of Blossoms*.
Sac Wall, 3 mana, Drift of Phantasms*.
Sac Drift, 4 mana, Misthollow + infinite creature mana shenanigans.

* it can work with any combination of T1 accelerant, any one- or two-drop, and any other one- to three-drop.  All that really matters is the number of critters for Food Chain to eat.

It is possible (but very unlikely) to have this happen without additional draw, as 2x land, BoP, Food Chain, 2-drop, 3-drop, Griffin, and Maga (or Soul of the Harvest, for full deck draw) are 8 cards total.
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1 year ago  ::  May 03, 2012 - 1:29AM #4
Nivean_Dauphin
Date Joined: Mar 11, 2008
Posts: 492
Wouldn't the primal surge deck mill itself out, because you can't choose not to exile the top card, so you would be forced to exile a card from your library that is't there?
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1 year ago  ::  May 03, 2012 - 3:28AM #5
SadisticMystic
Date Joined: Aug 6, 2003
Posts: 1,112
"Exiling the top card of an empty library" is not a condition that causes you to lose the game; it's just an impossible instruction that has no effect when executed. Only effects that specifically draw a card from a library with no cards are sufficient to trip the state-based action for losing the game, and Laboratory Maniac conveniently acts on anything and everything that would do that.

(Though it would probably help to have Alchemist's Apprentice or something in the deck, so you can stop "Response to the draw triggers, Disperse the Asceticism and Dismember the Maniac" by just drawing more cards on top of all that.)
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1 year ago  ::  May 03, 2012 - 3:56AM #6
DocGrog
Date Joined: Aug 19, 2010
Posts: 656
Concerning the Foodchain Griffin deck:

I ran a few games with it and made the following changes:

-1 Forest
-2 Island
-4 Wall of Blossoms
+3 Halimar Depths
+4 Coiling Oracle
+1 Momir Vig, Simic Visionary

leaving me with a 61 card deck.

Aside from the really really rare turn 2 win that is disabled by the 2-coloredness of the coiling oracle I really found the deck to run smoother with the possible acceleration from the oracle and the tutoring of Momir Vig. (And i just love the halimar depths, no matter if they enter play tapped or not).

Just my 2 cents

~DocGrog
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1 year ago  ::  May 03, 2012 - 7:11AM #7
Etsap
Date Joined: Jul 12, 2004
Posts: 46
Misthollow Griffin also works with City of Shadows, Soul Exchange, Cadaverous Bloom, Commandeer, Descent into Madness, Force of Will, Forsaken City, Gemstone Caverns, Holistic Wisdom, Misdirection, Snapback, and Wormfang Behemoth.  If you include Painter's Servant, there are a few other alternate-cost cards that work, but this is unlikely to be worth the effort.

Rules question though, what if Misthollow Griffin is exiled face down?  Everything suggests that you can still cast it.
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1 year ago  ::  May 03, 2012 - 10:01AM #8
elmeaux
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May 3, 2012 -- 3:28AM, SadisticMystic wrote:



(Though it would probably help to have Alchemist's Apprentice or something in the deck, so you can stop "Response to the draw triggers, Disperse the Asceticism and Dismember the Maniac" by just drawing more cards on top of all that.)




Still figuring out how things like this work in MtG so I hope you don't mind a couple questions. How does the timing work in regards to cards put into play with Primal Surge? Once Surge goes off (isn't countered somehow), can your opponent respond to each card as Surge repeats or do they have to wait until Surge mills the whole deck to repsond? Assuming she is played via Surge, would Avacyn's "all permanants you control are indestructible" save the Maniac from that Dismember?

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1 year ago  ::  May 03, 2012 - 10:18AM #9
Phoenix2222
Date Joined: May 3, 2012
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May 3, 2012 -- 10:01AM, elmeaux wrote:

May 3, 2012 -- 3:28AM, SadisticMystic wrote:



(Though it would probably help to have Alchemist's Apprentice or something in the deck, so you can stop "Response to the draw triggers, Disperse the Asceticism and Dismember the Maniac" by just drawing more cards on top of all that.)




Still figuring out how things like this work in MtG so I hope you don't mind a couple questions. How does the timing work in regards to cards put into play with Primal Surge? Once Surge goes off (isn't countered somehow), can your opponent respond to each card as Surge repeats or do they have to wait until Surge mills the whole deck to repsond? Assuming she is played via Surge, would Avacyn's "all permanants you control are indestructible" save the Maniac from that Dismember?




I'm not usre if anyone can respond between triggers, my gut feeling says no, but dont quote me on that. Also, the even if a permant is indestructible, if its toughness is reduced to 0 it will still be destroyed as a state based effect.

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1 year ago  ::  May 03, 2012 - 10:22AM #10
DragonMudd
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May 3, 2012 -- 10:01AM, elmeaux wrote:



Still figuring out how things like this work in MtG so I hope you don't mind a couple questions. How does the timing work in regards to cards put into play with Primal Surge? Once Surge goes off (isn't countered somehow), can your opponent respond to each card as Surge repeats or do they have to wait until Surge mills the whole deck to repsond? Assuming she is played via Surge, would Avacyn's "all permanants you control are indestructible" save the Maniac from that Dismember?





No spells or triggers happen until the spell is completely finished resolving. The spell is not completely finished resolving until the "if you do" clause is finished and unfulfilled, then the spell goes to the graveyard and triggers  and spells can start happening.


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