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1 year ago ::
May 01, 2012 - 5:59PM
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So, as I understand Vexing Devil from reading the card, the creature spell resolves and the Dvil hits the battlefield, the opponent may then choose to take damage and force you to sac it. Could I then, in response to their decision to take the damage, play Undying Evil on the devil, bringing him back onto the battle field and forcing them to take more damage or let a 2 mana 5/4 hit the table?
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1 year ago ::
May 01, 2012 - 6:02PM
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No you cannot. You do not get priority while the ability is resolving to cast the Evil. You could respond to the trigger by casting the Evil on it, but then your opponent will more than likely choose not to take the 4 damage.
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1 year ago ::
May 01, 2012 - 6:09PM
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No you cannot. You do not get priority while the ability is resolving to cast the Evil. You could respond to the trigger by casting the Evil on it, but then your opponent will more than likely choose not to take the 4 damage.
Ah, I see. A little less effective than I was hoping but it could still be used as a way to try and force the Devil to stay.
Thanks
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1 year ago ::
May 06, 2012 - 12:18PM
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So that's a nice clean answer if vexing devil said "destroy vexing devil it cannot be regenerated" but it doesn't, it says "sacrifice it." And unless you've changed the rule on sacing permanents don't I need to have priority in order to do that?
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1 year ago ::
May 06, 2012 - 12:23PM
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even if it said "destroy" it would still not be possible.
it's not about sacrificing, it's about no player getting priority during the resolution of a spell or ability (triggered ability in this case)
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1 year ago ::
May 06, 2012 - 12:30PM
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And unless you've changed the rule on sacing permanents don't I need to have priority in order to do that?
You have never needed priority in order to sacrifice something. What you need is a cost or an effect which instructs you to do so.
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1 year ago ::
May 06, 2012 - 12:45PM
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So could you give me some comp rules to look at that explains it. Because that doesn't help.
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1 year ago ::
May 06, 2012 - 12:48PM
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how does it not help? I mean what is unclear about "no player gets priority during the resolution of a spell or ability" 116.2e Resolving spells and abilities may instruct players to make choices or take actions, or may allow players to activate mana abilities. Even if a player is doing so, no player has priority while a spell or ability is resolving. See rule 608, “Resolving Spells and Abilities.” 608.2f If an effect gives a player the option to pay mana, he or she may activate mana abilities before taking that action. If an effect specifically instructs or allows a player to cast a spell during resolution, he or she does so by putting that spell on top of the stack, then continuing to cast it by following the steps in rules 601.2a–h, except no player receives priority after it’s cast. The currently resolving spell or ability then continues to resolve, which may include casting other spells this way. No other spells can normally be cast and no other abilities can normally be activated during resolution.
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1 year ago ::
May 06, 2012 - 12:56PM
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The triggered ability starts to resolve.
Each opponent in turn order chooses: Take 4 damage or not take 4 damage.
If no player takes 4 damage, nothing happens and the trigger finishes resolving.
If 1+ players take 4 damage, the effect of the trigger causes the devil to be sacced and those players to take 4 damage and the trigger finishes resolving.
You can not do anything except concede or take actions as allowed for in the trigger (like choosing to take 4 damage or not) while the trigger is resolving.
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1 year ago ::
May 06, 2012 - 12:57PM
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So could you give me some comp rules to look at that explains it. Because that doesn't help.
Do you mean these rules?
608. Resolving Spells and Abilities
608.1. Each time all players pass in succession, the spell or ability on top of the stack resolves. (See rule 609, "Effects.")
608.2. If the object that's resolving is an instant spell, a sorcery spell, or an ability, its resolution may involve several steps. The steps described in rules 608.2a and 608.2b are followed first. The steps described in rules 608.2c - j are then followed as appropriate, in no specific order. The step described in rule 608.2k is followed last.
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608.2c The controller of the spell or ability follows its instructions in the order written. However, replacement effects may modify these actions. In some cases, later text on the card may modify the meaning of earlier text (for example, "Destroy target creature. It can't be regenerated" or "Counter target spell. If that spell is countered this way, put it on top of its owner's library instead of into its owner's graveyard.") Don't just apply effects step by step without thinking in these cases -- read the whole text and apply the rules of English to the text.
Ever since the stack and priority were added in 1999, casting a spell  or activating an ability  has required priority (outside certain special cases). Resolving a spell  or ability  has not.
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