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1 year ago ::
May 02, 2012 - 7:09AM
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So, beyond the topic of budget and argueing what defines a budget deck, what are some tweaks to this deck that you'd make?
Obvious first changes in my mind are out with the Evolving Wilds and in with some dual lands, but which and how many of each to balance the mana. And once we do that, can we get rid of the Spheres again? If so, what goes into their slots? We could bring back Ichor Wellspring for card draw or put in Ponder to the same effect.
Thoughts?
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1 year ago ::
May 02, 2012 - 7:40AM
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Jul 26, 2011
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Gah! Fix the gatherer search to at least standard! The search has visual spoiler of every single card with a CMC of 2! You nearly killed my computer!
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1 year ago ::
May 02, 2012 - 7:47AM
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I don't usually play white, but I like the blink interactions and combos. This one looks like fun to me!
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1 year ago ::
May 02, 2012 - 7:52AM
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Said it before and I will say it again: the need to be competitive completely ruins the "budget" aspect of this article. People who are attracted to a title "Building on a Budget" are not interested in paying $100 for 75 pieces of cardboard. I have a wife and kid. I can't afford to spend $40 on a Venser playset, as much as I would like to. I still don't understand why someone who is competitive would be interested in a "budget" article.
Anyways, try substituting the Venser for Ghostly Flicker and Cloudshift. At common level both of those should be pennies at best. Is it as good as consistently repeating effects from Venser? no. But at least that's better for the "budget."
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1 year ago ::
May 02, 2012 - 9:56AM
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I'm jumping on the budget bandwagon too. When I say I'm on a budget, I mean I can drop $50-75 a month on Magic, including entry fees. Now, if this were the first article that JVL wrote that was well outside of the "budget" realm, a few people would complain and it would be over. But, although I enjoy his column, he is constantly putting $100 decks on here. In his defense, he has said on several occasions that non-basic land is simply not a place where you can get away cheaply to be competitive, and I totally agree.
I do not agree that this is a budget column, and they should have him write a different one.
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1 year ago ::
May 02, 2012 - 12:06PM
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I fume every time someone puts a price tag to a BoaB deck. Seriously guys trade for cards, pick up a free restoration angel promo this friday. Did no one get a free day of judgement from the old player rewards. Do people come to building on a budget put the deck into a stores deck builder and then click add to cart and then buy the deck? NO! So please stop and pull the T out of TCG and start trading instead of whining about a sub $100 deck, i'm sure there are tonnes of people out there with vensers gathering dust in folders.
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1 year ago ::
May 02, 2012 - 12:24PM
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I fume every time someone puts a price tag to a BoaB deck. Seriously guys trade for cards, pick up a free restoration angel promo this friday. Did no one get a free day of judgement from the old player rewards. Do people come to building on a budget put the deck into a stores deck builder and then click add to cart and then buy the deck? NO! So please stop and pull the T out of TCG and start trading instead of whining about a sub $100 deck, i'm sure there are tonnes of people out there with vensers gathering dust in folders.
When a good is freely exchanged in a market, we say that the good has the value for which it is purchased in that market. Suppose you trade for or pick up the cards that make up a deck through means other than purchase. Instead of building the deck with them, they could be sold in the market for their cost: that is money you could have, but do not, if instead you use them in the deck. So, assembling the deck with your found or traded for cards, still costs you the same amount; you could either have the deck, or you could have the money, your choice.
Personally, I think instead of this single deck I plan to buy Diablo III, two tickets to the Avengers, and play an Avacyn Restored booster draft with my friends. That sounds like a pretty good value proposition in comparison.
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1 year ago ::
May 02, 2012 - 12:26PM
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From a reputable dealer its going to run about 105 dollars+ shipping. Somewhere like starcitygames. That isnt budget.
I don't understand why most of us complain because according to the poll, most of us picked the deck over the $20 green deck.
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1 year ago ::
May 02, 2012 - 1:27PM
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I fume every time someone puts a price tag to a BoaB deck. Seriously guys trade for cards, pick up a free restoration angel promo this friday. Did no one get a free day of judgement from the old player rewards. Do people come to building on a budget put the deck into a stores deck builder and then click add to cart and then buy the deck? NO! So please stop and pull the T out of TCG and start trading instead of whining about a sub $100 deck, i'm sure there are tonnes of people out there with vensers gathering dust in folders.
When a good is freely exchanged in a market, we say that the good has the value for which it is purchased in that market. Suppose you trade for or pick up the cards that make up a deck through means other than purchase. Instead of building the deck with them, they could be sold in the market for their cost: that is money you could have, but do not, if instead you use them in the deck. So, assembling the deck with your found or traded for cards, still costs you the same amount; you could either have the deck, or you could have the money, your choice.
Personally, I think instead of this single deck I plan to buy Diablo III, two tickets to the Avengers, and play an Avacyn Restored booster draft with my friends. That sounds like a pretty good value proposition in comparison.
You are of course ignoring the fact that you have cards on hand already, so really, the net cost of building the deck by trading is only $0. You actually come out ahead if you weren't trading away cards you were going to use in other decks.
EDIT: also, sure, you can sell on cardshark, or Ebay, but you're still going to lose out on bidding there eventually. You're not going to recieve the full list price by selling the cards to a store, or even another person; don't even try to pull that crap on me. I just sold 110 junk rares that were going to rotate out w/o ever being used for anything, and got 7 packs. SEVEN. The rares were all $0.50 midrange-ish TCGplayer; that would buy 15 packs and change if you don't want to do the math going by TCGplayer prices.
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1 year ago ::
May 02, 2012 - 2:10PM
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...what are some tweaks to this deck that you'd make?
I'd cut blue, and replace the Venser package with Cloudshift. The Venser + Stonehorn lock is cute, but I'm not sold on it being necessary (or even good, really). It's too easy to remove the rhino in response to the Venser target, and since Venser is the most expensive ($) component to the deck, you save a bunch by cutting it. Cutting a color also makes the mana a lot more reliable.
Cloudshift does sort of the same thing as Venser, except that it's cheap and you get a nice ambush out of it. Even without the Stonehorn lock, you can potentially Cloudshift your Sunblast Angel whenever someone tries to attack you, which seems like fun to me. It also combos with Fiend Hunter and Geist-Honored Monk, both of which should go maindeck. With more on curve creatures main, I'd cut Sphere of the Suns for Intangible Virtue. Intangible's better here than Honor of the Pure; the vigilance is very relevant (and works with Sunblast Angel), and Honor is a non-bo with sideboard Shrine. Intangible Virtue's also $1 cheaper.
Righteous Blow seems awesome against aggro, but pretty terrible against ramp or control. Move it to the side. I'd also move Increasing Ambition to the side; if you want to flashback Ambition for another Ambition, you need more than 1 in the deck, and there's isn't room for 2 or more main. Instead of the singleton Ambition, I'd rather have more Monks, and move Increasing Ambition to the side for playing against a really slow decks.
Lands (25)
4 Evolving Wilds
4 Isolated Chapel (if you have them; otherwise replace with swamps)
1-2 Vault of the Archangel (if you have them; otherwise replace with plains)
2-6 Swamp
13-15 Plains
Creatures (16)
4 Blade Splicer
3 Fiend Hunter
3 Restoration Angel
4 Geist-Honored Monk
2 Sunblast Angel
Other (19)
4 Cloudshift
4 Intangible Virtue
4 Lingering Souls
3 Timely Reinforcements
3 Day of Judgement
1 Oblivion Ring
Sideboard (15)
4 Shrine of Loyal Legions
2 Increasing Ambition
3 Celestial Purge (takes out Geralf's Messenger, Manabarbs, and Curse of Death's Hold)
2 Righteous Blow
1 Divine Offering
1 Oblivion Ring
2 Purify the Grave
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