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May 10, 2012 -- 3:24AM, Mown wrote:

Can we stop excaggarating the hype behind the Helvault? It really wasn't that big. I think I saw it on the arcana once or twice and though "Meh, I wonder what crap they filled that with."
Yes, it had a video. Why didn't MBS have a video? Because they were't using them as frequently at the time. DKA also had a video, was DKA incredibly overhyped?


I'm not sure how you calculated that each person got 500$ worth of value. I'm pretty sure the special Helvaults weren't worth 27000$ in total value, even if I haven't looked into the math and content of it too much. If people want to drive for what has so far been talked about as a 0.5% chance or so, you should consider the lottery, the payout is probably larger when compared to gas prices.

Would you walk up to a Math professor busy deriving an equation on the blackboard and say to him "I haven't even looked at your proof but I am pretty sure that what you are doing is wrong"?

Go back and read the thread. People have derived those numbers from real world prices that people are actually paying. Could those numbers be artifically inflated? Sure. Could they be misleading about the true worth (is there even such a thing?) of these prizes? Sure. But that is what people were paying so that is the value.

May 4, 2012 -- 8:04PM, StarForger wrote:

Just rechecked, my prices are accurate. Hell, I even checked eBay to see what people were bidding. Multiple Foil Tokens are being bid on right not at roughly $80. As for Foil EDH cards, the only one up anymore is ONE Avacyn, at $175. And this is where you guys are making the mistake, players aren't buying them, collectors are. Only .5% of Helvaults contained these items. Most collectors are buying them and then locking them away somewhere. The supply is decreasing, and steadily throughout the week more collectors have found out about these (and continue to find out) thus leading to an increasing demand. Also, remember that these were only released in the US. Collectors from every other country are trying to get these currently too. With such a high demand, the prices aren't going down anytime soon.

@monoredburn

I know some are less than $100, but some were also more so I took a rough guess at $100. Variation is there, but it's not alot.



Edit: I just checked, and Don is right. The only Foil EDH card is now up to $200. So, my prices are spot on, except the variation in the promos, like I said.

Currently on ebay, there's a bunch of foil double sided tokens being sold 34$ each with 2+ days left. The bidding war isnt even started. While the non foil average around 2-3$ much closer to the expiration of the bidding.

There's a lot of foil oversized cards being sold, the ones that are the closest to being done, less than 12 hours are all at around 135$. Now we take a look at the regular oversized cards and they are on average 3-4$ each.

The judge promo are hard to find so I'll take the number given here, 30$ to hundreds, let's make it a nice 50$ a pop.

Normal helvault in term of resale value :
3$ X 108 + 4$ X 54 = 540$ (not bad)

Super helvault in term of resale value :
34$ X 108 + 135$ X 54 + 50$ X 54 = 13662$

So 25,3 times the resale value, I took the lowest numbers and approximation about what I saw. We all know that aunctions with 2 days left will see a raise in price.

The whole price was mostly just an offshot that 27k sounded like an absurd amount, but that was assuming everything costed exactly the same, which is obviously a mistake on my part.
Since I didn't attend, how much did each participant get out of the special helvault? I'm still not seeing how it adds up to 500$ worth of stuff.

However, I do not believe that it was that much hype, since I haven't seen it. If I only see it when I actively try to get information about magic the gathering, then it's not big. Avengers has a lot of hype, Skyrim has a lot of hype, the Helvault was just a box of uncertainty.
I just checked their facebook wall for the heck of it:
Open the Helvault!

And that was like the only thing control-F gave me. So I searched their main site, which is a dreadful experience enough in itself.
The Helvault and Prereleases
AVR FAQ

At this point everything starts to become forum content or storyline stuff.
I don't use Twitter, so navigating it is somewhat new to me, but I can't find any unrealistic tweets regarding it on dailymtg or wizards_magic.

I can't find much hype from my own store, but the interest here isn't as high. However, I do not think Wizard sent mail with it saying "Please tell everyone our Helvault is awesome and promote the crap out of it."