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1 year ago  ::  Apr 28, 2012 - 3:15PM #1
Huihui
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I was really dissapointed with the quality of the items in the Helvault for all the hype it had. 

Oversized, non-foil, non-alternate artwork commander/EDH cards?  They aren't usable in any other format, so why couldn't we get cool commanders?  Even in commander, they are creating awkward situations if someone Spell Crumple's them.  I didnt mind the token card, I understand the need for filler and I really hope that all token cards become the 2-sided versions.  It would really cut down on the real life space for  token cards.  And the D20 was ok, it was something usable.

As for the Miracle cards? The power level of them seems too rediculous for some, and not high enough for others. Or the mana cost is wrong.  Last night at the prerelease, I had the opponent at 1 life, and he top-decked the miracle card which created an army of angels.  Cool for him, right? Fun game, right? I mean, the need for bombs is there, but the power level of that card for draft is too high if not enough answers are available, correct?

There was an abundance of cards that seemed overly limited in their relevance.   Such as the 1/2 "protection from vampires" guy in white.  There is not a significant amount of vampires in this set, so why is this here?  Was it just a "remanant from the last set's flavor?"  It seemed as if the sets would have played MUCH better together, rather than being a standalone set.
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1 year ago  ::  Apr 28, 2012 - 3:31PM #2
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Apr 28, 2012 -- 3:15PM, Huihui wrote:

I was really dissapointed with the quality of the items in the Helvault for all the hype it had.


Yeah, once I found out what was in the Helvault, it was a lot easier to decide to skip this prerelease. That and the promo card (Spear) is lackluster.

I also agree that they carried over some themes from the first two sets (like mill) that simply don't have the support in AVR to use that strategy in a format like Limited... which is weird because Wizards always states how much they design their sets for Limited.  It also seems like AVR will be very swingy in Limited, even more than normal, what with all the flying beatsticks and what seems like very little to stop them.

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1 year ago  ::  Apr 28, 2012 - 5:11PM #3
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Really?  I loved the inside of the Hetavault.  I wasn't able to trade for a Gisela, but I got an oversized one, so I'm all set for a while for my Commander build.  My friend gave me his oversized Sigarda (who I happend to pull).

I was glad to get another die for my die bag too, and I really liked the tokens.

I thought the whole thing was a blast, and would like to thank Wizards for continuing to provide these types of things to the players.
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1 year ago  ::  Apr 28, 2012 - 5:57PM #4
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I got a giant Bubbles; maybe she could fly as a Commander if my playgroup is fine with that.  Other than that, I love double-sided tokens (I'm a token fiend), and I've always wanted a spindown counter (I'm usually too cheap to buy Fat Packs).  So it's a success for me, but I can fully see why it would be a letdown for other people.
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1 year ago  ::  Apr 28, 2012 - 6:00PM #5
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Given the variety of things said to have been found in the various Helvaults, I think to avoid pissing a lot of people off, which WotC did [unintentionally or not] they should have put some of the really good foils, cards, some of the better-than-meh-but-not-really-special cards, etc, AND some of the oversized cards, tokens, dice meh in every one, and that should have been it **UNIFORMLY** - that way there is an even mix of meh and good for everyone, and this whole "select stores get amazing things while most do not" that is pissing off so many people would have never happened.
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1 year ago  ::  Apr 28, 2012 - 6:09PM #6
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I just got back into the game after a fairly long hiatus (no sanctioned events between Darksteel prerelease and Dark Ascension prerelease). Compared to Dark Ascension (which I will assume is fairly average/typical for a prerelease), what's to complain about? You still get the normal prerelease prizes and as a bonus there are achievements, which are either fun or easily ignored if you're not into that. And then you get some other fun extras with the tokens and oversized cards. 

Personally I had more fun at the prerelease with the Helvault 'mini-game' than I did at the Dark Ascension one (in terms of enjoying the event independent of my competitive success). 
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1 year ago  ::  Apr 28, 2012 - 6:23PM #7
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"what's to complain about? ? You still get the normal prerelease prizes and as a bonus there are achievements, which are either fun or easily ignored if you're not into that. And then you get some other fun extras with the tokens and oversized cards. "

Not to come off as a jerk, not AT ALL my intention, if you ask "what's to complain about?" I politely suggest Googling, as it is very apparent WotC did not make the Helvaults uniform in any sense of the term TO THE POINT where **some** but VERY FEW get several of a 100+ dollar card and other things people would kill for, while most of us got oversized cards, dice, and tokens.

I like the oversized card - being EDH legal I can finally make a Co/R/W [or R/Co, or W/Co, or R/W, or W, or R] EDH deck and use it as my general, I just feel consistency would have made things better overall.

And IIRC my store didn't give us the a promo card - and figured that because it was a helvault event that it would take the place of giving them out.  
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1 year ago  ::  Apr 28, 2012 - 9:37PM #8
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What are the numbers on those Judge foil Demonic Tutor s? My LGS got non-foil Commanders, the dice, and that angel/demon token.
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1 year ago  ::  Apr 28, 2012 - 10:21PM #9
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If the official previews for the Helvault event stated that "Only 5% of Helvaults will have TOTALLY AWESOME **** OMGWTFBBQ, while the rest have meh stuff. Good luck finding the worthwhile vaults lolololololol," I'd be fine with that.

But everyone went to a Helvault event expecting to get something wicked awesome out of it.  A select few did, while the rest of us got mere trinkets.
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1 year ago  ::  Apr 28, 2012 - 10:27PM #10
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I wasn't expecting much from the Helvault, and even though I had low expectations, I was still disappointed by how sucky it turned out to be.
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