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1 year ago  ::  May 01, 2012 - 10:57PM #21
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the Helvaults got extremely hyped by WotC before the event.
the basic Helvaults didn't live up to that hype. not even close.
I already had low expectations and WotC managed to undercut those.
the stuff of the Helvault that I got was basically worth $1.
that alone was already bad.
then I decided to share my experience of the prerelease online and learned about the premium Helvaults and felt cheated. BADLY.
I felt cheated so much that it now forever taints the memory of this prerelease. up until then, although the Helvault itself sucked, the tournament had been fun and enjoying. now all I can think of is how unfair those premium Helvaults are. did you honestly expect that the 99% of players who did not get a $100 bill for free would be like "ah, congrats to that lucky guys who got riches beyond riches because they are WotCs prefered customers while I'm content with the suck I got."

also, a playable card would have helped, imho. like, all-art basiclands.
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1 year ago  ::  May 01, 2012 - 11:10PM #22
Youwashock
Date Joined: Nov 16, 2011
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May 1, 2012 -- 9:52PM, Tyrannosaurus wrote:

Wow people are bitching about FREE stuff??? What is wrong with you people. I like my helavault schwag please don't listen to these malcontents wotc.




Its not the items themselves as much as it is the unequal nature of it.  Why should those 30 stores and their players be treated so much better than the others.  Is my store infinetly less worthy because it is small.  Had all the helvaults been the same I dont think people would be as disapointed.  Hell if it had been completely random like the hidden treasures in Zendikar I dont think people would have been as upset. 

The inequity wasn't equal.  It wasnt random.  Some were specificly chosen to be rewarded disproportionatly.

Hell if the things had had the FNM candy in them i would have prefered that to what was in there.  That stuff isnt worth much more than anything in there but it would have been cooler. 

I also agree that ever since WOTC stopped giving out Mythics for prerelease the incentive to go to them has dropped.  And quite frankly the quality level of the pre release rares has wayned far too much.  You dont have to give out a mythic to give out a good rare.

Mayor of Avabruck was decent (not great) but i wouldnt mind playing him.  Even in the pre mythic days we got stuff Like Ink Eyes.

Ravenous Demon and Moonsilver Spear are all but unplayable.

I don't like the whole concept of the mythic rare to begin with, but if we are going to have them then having them be pre release cards is a fine way to make sure people can get some of them reasonably. 


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1 year ago  ::  May 01, 2012 - 11:23PM #23
LordCeviche
Date Joined: Feb 8, 2010
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So sucktacular that i missed the helvault..i do have one piece of advice about how it would have been awesome... A PLANECHASE CARD!!! That's right..a plane card for Ravnica before the helvault opened and one for after..that would have been great..and hey. Do we have some Planechasae stuff coming this summer? yeah..i think so... SERIOUSLY!! WHY DIDN'T SOMEONE DO THEIR HOMEWORK AND GET US THIS!!..but what saddens me is that yes it was schwag but the whole event was something i missed since i had my friends wedding that day...oh well.
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1 year ago  ::  May 01, 2012 - 11:24PM #24
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Date Joined: Jun 18, 2009
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Kinda feel like I got pooped on.

And to anyone stating it is free, its not. It does however make the cost of playing at your local store cheaper.

The items might be "Extra" but that pools into the total of your purchase. Just like if I say "By 1 get 1 free" what I really mean is "50% off".

Edit: On the bright side that kitty looks just like one of mine. So that makes me feel good.

I imagine the event was good intentioned, it was just poorly executed. 
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1 year ago  ::  May 01, 2012 - 11:27PM #25
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Already sent this in the feedback form, but I figured I would share it here for extra visibility:

I have been an avid magic player and collector for over 11 years.  I am a die-hard collector of angel cards, with thousands of dollars in rare and hard to find angels, accumulated carefully over years.

I am very bothered by the low number of these promotional Helvault cards in existence (~300 of each jumbo foil, and ~3100 foil tokens). I attended a Helvault event, but it was not a 'premium' one, so I had no chance to receive these foil promos.

I had a nearly complete collection of every angel printed or misprinted, but now, there are foil jumbo cards that will be nearly impossible to obtain, as there are less copies of each foil jumbo angel than there are MTG angel collectors in my state alone! There are ZERO copies even for sale on the internet right now.

If this was the doing of your marketing department, I would deem this a failure. These premium Helvaults were not announced before-hand, so players could not have changed their purchasing behavior to Wizard's financial benefit (i.e. "What cool promos! I should go to the prerelease after all, so I have a chance at them!"). These cards aren't even sold by Wizards, so players cannot even PAY YOU for them if they wanted to.

All you've managed to do is shift money to third-party dealers as the owners of these rare treasures inevitably get ripped off, make an absurdly small and lucky part of your user-base happy, and alienate and devastate loyal fans like me.

Maybe this is a good time to quit collecting angels/MTG, since I'll never be able to have a truly complete angel collection after this point.
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1 year ago  ::  May 01, 2012 - 11:31PM #26
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Date Joined: Aug 1, 2010
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Most disappointing pre-release I've ever attended. When the store manager asked me which over-sized card I wanted, I told him to keep it because it would just junk up my bag for two months and then get trashed. Discontinue this product. It has negative marketing value. It's not an in incentive to play, it's a barrier that I have to remove in order to get on with my day.

As for sending a few high-volume stores high-value promotional items...there are no words that apply that are forum-friendly.
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1 year ago  ::  May 01, 2012 - 11:38PM #27
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Date Joined: Feb 15, 2010
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Hey WOTC, if you're reading this... Its like a Kid on Christmas Day, instead of getting a Toy they get a pair of socks. Like that what we really wanted, Had the Helvault been packed with boosters pack I would've been happy with that as well.
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1 year ago  ::  May 01, 2012 - 11:43PM #28
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Date Joined: Nov 13, 2007
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May 1, 2012 -- 10:06PM, chronego wrote:

May 1, 2012 -- 9:52PM, Tyrannosaurus wrote:

Wow people are bitching about FREE stuff??? What is wrong with you people. I like my helavault schwag please don't listen to these malcontents wotc.


The problem is that whoever decided on this promotion demonstrates a fundamental lack of understanding of psychology.

If you give one person a free $10 bill, he's happy. If he then sees you give another person a free $100 bill, he's suddenly unhappy because he feels that he had a chance at that $100 bill and missed out. Even though the first person is strictly better off than he was before, the fact that he got less than someone else leaves him less happy than he'd have been if neither of them had gotten anything.

What they should have done here is two-fold:
1. Lessen the obscene gap in value between the premium Helvaults and the ordinary ones.
2. Announce ahead of time that some Helvaults would contain better prizes than others.

This second even adds a sense of anticipation to the event, same as a lottery or gambling does, and would be positive marketing. Instead, they create a large gap between the haves and the have-nots (something to the tune of a $100 difference in value per person) and people only find out afterwards that other people got better prizes.


This example and analogy works pretty well - with a minor change, and that is that for the Helvault promotion, a whole lot of the players value the stuff they got out of the Vault not as 'a free $ 10 bill', but as literally worthless. Which means that cannot even say 'well at least I got something', increasing the gap even more.

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1 year ago  ::  May 02, 2012 - 12:22AM #29
Prodigal_Planeswalker
Date Joined: Apr 7, 2007
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Hello WotC,


I realize I do not log in often. However, as a longtime consumer of your product, I have decided that it would be worthwhile to devote my precious time to providing you with feedback regarding the recent Helvault promotion.

You were lucky.


As bad as the reaction of the community is right now, it could have been a lot worse. Let us consider if the spoiled vault had been a premium one instead of the normal one. Keep in mind that the community had no reason to expect that the contents would not be the same in every Helvault. In such a scenario, last weekend would have been catastrophic. Helvault events would have sold out as everyone who normally would not attend a prerelease came out of the woodwork expecting to get a Judge foil. Imagine the pandemonium that would have ensued when the standard vaults were opened to reveal the mediocre contents within. I would not doubt that more than a few stores would have been accused of stealing "the good stuff" by those who were aware of the spoiled premium vault. The animosity and distrust that would have developed in such a situation far exceeds what is going on at this time.

I do not believe it is good policy to expose the WPN stores to that kind of risk. I do not believe that this sort of disparity in the promotional items distributed at events is good for the brand. Lastly, I do not believe the decision to even create premium Helvaults included enough consideration as to how customers receiving the non-premium Helvaults would react. I certainly hope steps are taken to avoid a repetition of this mistake in the future.

Regarding the actual contents of the standard Helvault:

Tokens: These are not exciting. Full art promos of the common angel and demon from the set would have been more exciting.

Oversized Magic Cards: These are useless, even to Commander players. If you must make oversized cards, please make them useful. For example, an "Innistrad" plane card or "Open the Helvault" scheme card would have been much more exciting and useful.

Dice: I understand other people like these, however I preferred the Ravnica-style dial counters. I hope those dial counters are brought back for Return to Ravnica.

Thank you for taking my feedback into consideration. I sincerely hope it provides some benefit to the planning of your future promotional events. Despite the negative reaction to this event, I do believe that the community in general does want WotC to succeed at making Magic the best game it can be. It is because of this that we become concerned when the company makes decisions that we believe might cause harm to the local game stores, the community of players, or the future of the game itself.

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1 year ago  ::  May 02, 2012 - 12:29AM #30
Ericthecleric2
Date Joined: Jun 26, 2006
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After finding out what was in the Helvaults, I was definitely disappointed. The hype leading up to the event got me pretty curious and excited, but then it was a total letdown once I received another spindown die and token that I don't care much about. What happened to the one of a kind experience? We've already seen all of this stuff, including the achievement cards. For goodness sakes WOTC, be creative! You already have some awesome talent when it comes to this kind of stuff. Use it!

I will definitely remember this prerelease - as a failure to live up to the big amount of hype you guys created, not a success.

Agent 1103, I agree with everything you've posted. Very good comments. 
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