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7 months ago  ::  Dec 01, 2012 - 11:07AM #741
HairlessThoctar
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The most noteworthy thing about the guildless isn't a lack of color, but rather a lack of multiple colors.
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7 months ago  ::  Dec 01, 2012 - 4:44PM #742
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Dec 1, 2012 -- 11:07AM, HairlessThoctar wrote:

The most noteworthy thing about the guildless isn't a lack of color, but rather a lack of multiple colors.




True, but the gateless will want to be in a deck of their own and a 5 colored deck incourages people to play ALL guilds instead of none. Unless they have some type of "monocolor matters" theme throughout all colors capable of carrying it as a deck, colorless/color hybrids are really the only way to go. If I was designing them, I'd also want a way to differentiate them from simple guildless cards. Not to mention that Wizards likes to have a returning mechanic in each block and we still haven't seen one for RtR and we have confirmation that none of the guild keywords will be old mechanics.

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7 months ago  ::  Dec 01, 2012 - 6:05PM #743
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Not related to RtR or Gatecrash, but will we get to see any info about Ugin anytime soon? Or will he end up being an elusive lore-only figure?
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7 months ago  ::  Dec 04, 2012 - 4:19PM #744
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Dec 1, 2012 -- 11:07AM, HairlessThoctar wrote:

The most noteworthy thing about the guildless isn't a lack of color, but rather a lack of multiple colors.




One cool thing about the guildpact I've noticed is, the Gruul and the Dimir are on exact opposite sides of the color pie (if you use white as its apex, like on the logo), but they both want the same thing. (The Gruul are simply more open about it. Granted, "more open than the Vampire Illuminati" is almost tautological, but still...)

Any other odd mirrors like that you've noticed?

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7 months ago  ::  Dec 05, 2012 - 12:48PM #745
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What does that have to do with the Guildless?

Unfortunately that connection is coincental and does not apply to the current incarnation of the Dimir. Besides that Ravnica doesn't do the enemy color/ally color thing because it doesn't abide by typical color pie rules.
Ravnica doesn't have 5 colors, it has 10, and they all hate each other very much.
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7 months ago  ::  Dec 05, 2012 - 1:08PM #746
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Dec 4, 2012 -- 4:19PM, bay_falconer wrote:

One cool thing about the guildpact I've noticed is, the Gruul and the Dimir are on exact opposite sides of the color pie (if you use white as its apex, like on the logo), but they both want the same thing. (The Gruul are simply more open about it. Granted, "more open than the Vampire Illuminati" is almost tautological, but still...)


Not really. The Gruul want to destroy the city, while the Dimir want to dominate it.

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7 months ago  ::  Dec 05, 2012 - 6:34PM #747
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I think bay was referring to in Ravnica classic that both guilds wanted to destroy the Guildpact.
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7 months ago  ::  Dec 05, 2012 - 8:08PM #748
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Dec 5, 2012 -- 12:48PM, HairlessThoctar wrote:

What does that have to do with the Guildless?

Unfortunately that connection is coincental and does not apply to the current incarnation of the Dimir. Besides that Ravnica doesn't do the enemy color/ally color thing because it doesn't abide by typical color pie rules.
Ravnica doesn't have 5 colors, it has 10, and they all hate each other very much.



"all hate each other?" The old Azorious and Boros worked together; they weren't friendly, but they didn't hate each other. The simic and Izzet don't really hate each other. According to today's article, the Boros and Izzet are working together. Rakdos and Gruul don't care want the other wants to do.

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7 months ago  ::  Dec 08, 2012 - 12:23PM #749
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Dec 5, 2012 -- 6:34PM, HairlessThoctar wrote:

I think bay was referring to in Ravnica classic that both guilds wanted to destroy the Guildpact.




Yeah, and also, the Gruul are basically guildless, and House Dimir doesn't exist, silly.

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7 months ago  ::  Dec 08, 2012 - 12:54PM #750
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Dec 8, 2012 -- 12:23PM, bay_falconer wrote:


Yeah, and also, the Gruul are basically guildless, and House Dimir doesn't exist, silly.




Kinda sorta.
The Gruul are both disenfranchised and anti-civilization. They hate the other guilds and the city they live in.
They want to tear the city down, whereas most of the populace would probably prefer to keep the benefits of their developed lifestyle without the Guilds lording it up over their heads.

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