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1 year ago ::
Apr 25, 2012 - 9:22AM
#11
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That green deck has a lot of great things, but the glut of 3CC cards being the important cards feels really awkward.
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1 year ago ::
Apr 25, 2012 - 9:52AM
#12
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Date Joined:
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From the cheapest prices at bidwicket.com, assuming a $5 shipping charge and that basic lands are free:
Silverheart Stompy
Estimated total cost: 55.55
2 Avacyn's Pilgrim: 2 @ 0.03; total 0.06
4 Birds of Paradise: 4 @ 3.19; total 12.76
4 Champion of Lambholt: 4 @ 1.19; total 4.76
4 Dungrove Elder: 4 @ 3.25; total 13.0
4 Llanowar Elves: 4 @ 0.07; total 0.28
3 Predator Ooze: 3 @ 1.19; total 3.57
4 Strangleroot Geist: 4 @ 0.55; total 2.2
1 Ulvenwald Tracker: 1 @ 0.95; total 0.95
4 Wolfir Silverheart: 4 @ 0.85; total 3.4
3 Dismember: 3 @ 1.49; total 4.47
2 Prey Upon: 2 @ 0.02; total 0.04
3 Ranger's Guile: 3 @ 0.02; total 0.06
Restoration Hardware
Estimated total cost: 76.16
4 Phyrexia's Core: 4 @ 0.06; total 0.24
4 Blade Splicer: 4 @ 2.55; total 10.2
4 Stonehorn Dignitary: 4 @ 0.02; total 0.08
3 Sunblast Angel: 3 @ 0.5; total 1.5
4 Day of Judgment: 4 @ 2.1; total 8.4
3 Ichor Wellspring: 3 @ 0.02; total 0.06
4 Mycosynth Wellspring: 4 @ 0.02; total 0.08
2 Oblivion Ring: 2 @ 0.74; total 1.48
4 Timely Reinforcements: 4 @ 1.38; total 5.52
4 Venser, the Sojourner: 4 @ 6.35; total 25.4
3 Restoration Angel: 3 @ 4.4; total 13.2
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1 year ago ::
Apr 25, 2012 - 12:32PM
#13
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Mar 21, 2012
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my vote is for that tandem deck you made 2 weeks ago. i'd like to see that deck with red creatures like goblin fireslinger, pyreheart wolf, and/or hellrider
as for the acceptable choices im with the WU one altough you went way over the budget, i mean im okay when you use 5$ cards like hellrider or double lands because just assuming that people probably have atleast four and if they're not in the right color then they can just trade for diferent color combo. but when you put 4 planeswalkers into a BUDGET deck it realy bugs me
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1 year ago ::
Apr 25, 2012 - 12:45PM
#14
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my vote is for that tandem deck you made 2 weeks ago. i'd like to see that deck with red creatures like goblin fireslinger, pyreheart wolf, and/or hellrider
as for the acceptable choices im with the WU one altough you went way over the budget, i mean im okay when you use 5$ cards like hellrider or double lands because just assuming that people probably have atleast four and if they're not in the right color then they can just trade for diferent color combo. but when you put 4 planeswalkers into a BUDGET deck it realy bugs me
Venser is a $5 planeswalker, $8 if you buy him on demand in NM condition from Star City. The guy who posted literally RIGHT above you even posted a store where you can pick him up for $6. If you're okay with Hellrider, you're okay with Venser.
I mean, seriously people. It's one thing to complain when he legitimately posts decks that are like $150, but this deck can easily be slapped together for half of what even SamLL posted. You're complaining based on percieved values, and that's just wrong.
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1 year ago ::
Apr 25, 2012 - 12:49PM
#15
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$76.16 for a deck that can at least stand it's ground at an average FNM is pretty cheap. A playset of Geists (Delver) or Elesh Norns (Frites) costs more than that already, a playset of Primevals cost nearly as much, and the walkers in Esper alone cost like triple that entire deck. And that's only a small sample of competitive standard decks. If you people think this isn't budget then you're crazy. AND that 76.16 assumes you don't have traders or any of the cards already... who are you trying to kid? Plus Restoration Angel is still at prerelease prices, and is a release promo. Get off JvL's back, seriously, it's not easy to make reasonably strong decks with such financial constraints. My only gripe is actually the lack of suggestions for how to improve the decks, but even that isn't hard to figure out. Duals, some better CA engine than the Wellsprings, etc.
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1 year ago ::
Apr 25, 2012 - 3:18PM
#16
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I have to agree with the guys saying that these decks are budget decks, considering that most decent decks out there cost well over $100 to create, I am surprised by the number of complaints. Plus, JVL has already listened to your feedback and improved his article's greatly by spreading his deck building out over a couple of weeks. You should be supporting and encouraging him for listening to your feedback not getting on his back about the price, when you obviously did not do any research as to the cost of the decks. Please, show him so respect and check the prices before complaining about them, and if you are not willing to spend $50 on a deck built from scratch then choose another hobby, as magic is obviously way to expensive for you.
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1 year ago ::
Apr 25, 2012 - 5:56PM
#17
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Date Joined:
Dec 31, 2003
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Are people really complaining that this isn't a budget deck because of the -number- of rares in it? Do you people really not realize that not all rares are priced the same?
Venser isn't used in anything, and we just got a Duel Deck with him in it. The high-point NM price on Star City is $8, so you should be able to pick up a playset for like $20 easily, and that's without trading for any.
Sunblast Angel is a $0.50 rare that you can pick up 4-for-a-dollar in most places.
Restoration Angel is worth $5 preorder, but she's the freaking release promo, and judging by preorder prices is always a fool's errand anyway. This is another card you can pick up for basically nothing.
The only rares worth anything in this deck are the Days and the Blade Splicers which are $2-3 a pop. Everything else is common/uncommon. If you spend more than $40 building this entire deck you got ripped off. And if $40 isn't budget, then I'm sorry for you.
The Green deck isn't bad either. Dungrove is $3 a pop and Predator Ooze, Wolfir Silverheart, Champion of Lambholt, and Ulvenvald Tracker are all sub-$2. The only pricey card is Birds of Paradise, but they've been printed so many times it's almost irrelevant. This whole deck costs like $20 to make.
I've seen Pauper decks that cost more then these. Seriously people, there is no way you can complain that these aren't budget.
$8 x 4 Vensers is $32 plus shipping. $0.50 x 4 is $2. Assuming the price of something is going to go down to support your arguement is flawed. It is just as possible that the Angel will jump from $5 to $10.
I agree that the number of rares shouldn't matter, just the price. But, your math just doesn't add up. :-)
Look at the comments from people who priced everything. I personally feel $40 should be the end of budget. None of these decks will EVER be tournament worthy, simply because they can't compete with the rediculous prices that Wizards has allowed top tier decks to reach. The green deck looks to come close to my line, so I'm fine with it. The W/u is a little higher from my looking, but not as crazy as his old decks.
My biggest complaint is his reliance on Dismember  . The prices here are not too over budget to warrent a complaint.
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1 year ago ::
Apr 25, 2012 - 8:14PM
#18
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I remember the days when I would see an exciting deck here and think, "Man, I have to get that deck!" And that could happen, because a) the decks weren't that expensive and b) the decks were actually exciting.
Now, these decks being expensive isn't 100% JVL's fault - Magic isn't exactly the way it was 4 years ago, after all - but this is pretty ridiculous. I don't know why I even bother to read the articles any more.
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1 year ago ::
Apr 25, 2012 - 11:13PM
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Date Joined:
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I've been highly critical of Jacob in the past, but at some point you've got to cut a guy some slack. Sure, he doesn't build within the budget that we've had from earlier BoaB columnists. However, the decks he tries to build are (or should be) more competitive than their decks. Also, we live in a different time, the era of Mythic rares. It's much harder to build on a budget these days than it was in the past.
For me, what matters most is that he's evolving his decks and listening to his readers. I hope the current trend (of fewer but better decks) continues.
Zindaras' meta is like a fossil, ancient and its secrets yet to be uncovered. Only men of yore, long dead, knew of it.
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1 year ago ::
Apr 26, 2012 - 3:20AM
#20
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i really like having a poll at the end, i hope to see more like this 
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