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1 year ago  ::  Apr 23, 2012 - 1:51PM #1
Kingnothing
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I know he has protection from colored spells, but could i clone him since clone isnt a spell once it resolves?
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1 year ago  ::  Apr 23, 2012 - 1:53PM #2
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certainly, Clone doesn't target in any event

also Emrakul can be exiled by Oblivion Ring since its the ability doing the exiling
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1 year ago  ::  Apr 23, 2012 - 1:54PM #3
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just found my problem solver lol
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1 year ago  ::  Apr 23, 2012 - 1:55PM #4
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Apr 23, 2012 -- 1:51PM, Kingnothing wrote:

I know he has protection from colored spells, but could i clone him since clone isnt a spell once it resolves?




Yes, you can use Clone to copy it.  It works both for the reason you say (Clone isn't a spell when it copies) and even if Clone did copy as a spell, it doesn't do anything that protection stops (it doesn't target, deal damage, block, or enchant)
 

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1 year ago  ::  Apr 24, 2012 - 12:30AM #5
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Apr 23, 2012 -- 1:53PM, 2goth4U wrote:

certainly, Clone doesn't target in any event

also Emrakul can be exiled by Oblivion Ring since its the ability doing the exiling



This example is flawed.

While it is true that Emrakul, the Aeons Torn can be targeted and exiled by Oblivion Ring 's triggered ability, it is not true that it can do this because "it's the ability doing the exiling."

This is true because the abilty's source is a permanent and not a spell.

If you activated Lightning Storm 's activated ability while it is on the stack, you can not change its target to Emrakul, the Aeons Torn because the ability's source is a coloured spell.

If Painter's Servant makes Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre a coloured spell, you can not target Emrakul, the Aeons Torn with its triggered ability because the source is a coloured spell.

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1 year ago  ::  Apr 24, 2012 - 1:07AM #6
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Apr 24, 2012 -- 12:30AM, mqj wrote:

If you activated Lightning Storm 's activated ability while it is on the stack, you can not change its target to Emrakul, the Aeons Torn because the ability's source is a coloured spell.




That's not a valid example.  The ability doesn't target.  You can't change the target of Lightning Storm to Emrakul because the Storm itself is a colored spell, not because you're doing so via the activated ability of a spell.  For example, Goblin Flectomancer also couldn't change the Storm's target to Emrakul, even though that's the activated ability of a permanent.

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1 year ago  ::  Apr 24, 2012 - 2:32AM #7
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Apr 24, 2012 -- 12:30AM, mqj wrote:

If Painter's Servant makes Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre a coloured spell, you can not target Emrakul, the Aeons Torn with its triggered ability because the source is a coloured spell.


I don't think that this is true, but I am not sure - Imo it is a triggered ability, and Emrakul is not protected against that.

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1 year ago  ::  Apr 24, 2012 - 2:53AM #8
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You always have to look at the source of an ability. Since the source of this ability is the Ulamog spell (which has a colour) it can't target Emrakul. See this ruling for the exact same example:

6/15/2010 "Protection from colored spells" means that Emrakul can't be the target of colored spells (including colored Aura spells) or of abilities whose sources are colored spells (such as the "when you cast" ability of an Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre that's been turned red by Painter's Servant). It also means that all damage that would be dealt to Emrakul by colored spells is prevented. Like every protection ability, it works only while Emrakul is on the battlefield.
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1 year ago  ::  Apr 24, 2012 - 3:18AM #9
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Apr 24, 2012 -- 2:32AM, DocDoom wrote:

Apr 24, 2012 -- 12:30AM, mqj wrote:

If Painter's Servant makes Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre a coloured spell, you can not target Emrakul, the Aeons Torn with its triggered ability because the source is a coloured spell.


I don't think that this is true, but I am not sure - Imo it is a triggered ability, and Emrakul is not protected against that.




Protection from X means (among other things) that it can't be the target of X spells or abilities from X sources.  Emrakul can't be the target of colored spell spells or abilities from colored spell sources.


Abilities never have colors or types or any of the other characteristics that protection abilities care about; you always have to look at the source to determine if the protection applies.

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