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1 year ago ::
Apr 19, 2012 - 4:55PM
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This thread is for discussion of this week's Latest Developments, which goes live Friday morning on magicthegathering.com.
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1 year ago ::
Apr 19, 2012 - 9:10PM
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DUR *taps creatures*
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1 year ago ::
Apr 19, 2012 - 9:11PM
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OK, Zac, seriously, do you actually read what you write before you submit it to the editor? Moreover, does R&D actually think through things before they print them? Cavern of Souls is oozing with Mental Misstep-ism. If you recall, MaRo said that Mental Misstep was printed to give every deck in Legacy access to Force of Will. So, what happened? Now the Force of Will decks got to play more Force of Wills, and the decks with 8 Forces beat the decks with only 4, just as the decks with 4 beat the decks with 0 before.
You print a card to hose Snapcaster Mage by having a really powerful effect that hoses countermagic. You know what's really good against Snapcaster Mage? Mana Leak, because it restricts your opponent's mana so they can't 2-for-1 you off of Snap's ability (as they can even if you Doom Blade the Snap in response to the trigger). You know what Cavern is really good against? Mana Leak. So, here's the deck: Snapcaster + Cavern. Now your Snaps can't be countered, and every Snap you cast is a GUARANTEED 2-for-1, rather than just a most-of-the-time 2-for-1. Factor in the fact that Delver shares not 1 but 2 creature types with Snap, and the deck starts to build itself.
Seriously, that took me a whole 30 seconds to realize. Are you guys even trying anymore?
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1 year ago ::
Apr 19, 2012 - 9:15PM
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Ertai87 does make a good point. But I support the idea of making things "uncounterable" as opposed to simply adding another mana to Cancel because counters are still playable.
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1 year ago ::
Apr 19, 2012 - 9:15PM
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...Ertai, that 'guaranteed' Snapcaster+Mana Leak is a blank if the leak can't counter something cast with Cavern of Souls  . It doesn't matter that the Snapcaster Mage  itself might be uncounterable.
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1 year ago ::
Apr 19, 2012 - 9:17PM
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OK, Zac, seriously, do you actually read what you write before you submit it to the editor? Moreover, does R&D actually think through things before they print them? Cavern of Souls is oozing with Mental Misstep-ism. If you recall, MaRo said that Mental Misstep was printed to give every deck in Legacy access to Force of Will. So, what happened? Now the Force of Will decks got to play more Force of Wills, and the decks with 8 Forces beat the decks with only 4, just as the decks with 4 beat the decks with 0 before.
You print a card to hose Snapcaster Mage by having a really powerful effect that hoses countermagic. You know what's really good against Snapcaster Mage? Mana Leak, because it restricts your opponent's mana so they can't 2-for-1 you off of Snap's ability (as they can even if you Doom Blade the Snap in response to the trigger). You know what Cavern is really good against? Mana Leak. So, here's the deck: Snapcaster + Cavern. Now your Snaps can't be countered, and every Snap you cast is a GUARANTEED 2-for-1, rather than just a most-of-the-time 2-for-1. Factor in the fact that Delver shares not 1 but 2 creature types with Snap, and the deck starts to build itself.
Seriously, that took me a whole 30 seconds to realize. Are you guys even trying anymore?
So snap decks get better against other mana leak decks...which are probably packing snaps anyway. In turn, their mana base gets shakier and the card is irrelevant in other matchups. I don't see the problem?
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1 year ago ::
Apr 19, 2012 - 9:20PM
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...Ertai, that 'guaranteed' Snapcaster+Mana Leak is a blank if the leak can't counter something cast with Cavern of Souls . It doesn't matter that the Snapcaster Mage itself might be uncounterable.
QFT, are you even trying Ertai!?
And I love tribal decks, gotta get me some of these Caverns!
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1 year ago ::
Apr 19, 2012 - 9:21PM
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I disagree that Mana Leak is the problem. The problem is the threats that you can't interact with or threats as good as delver that only cost 1 mana. Mana Leak wouldn't be a problem if Geist could be targeted or if Deliver cost 2 mana. Please stop taking the interactivity and decisions out of Magic. Standard decks practically play themselves at this point. Tempo decks deserve to exist. And if you guys are really worried about Snapcaster, why not print a maindeckable graveyard hate card? Like the Obstinate Baloth analogy you made, print a maindeckable card that removes a card in the graveyard from the game. This would add more interactivity and decisions in the game as opposed to taking them away.
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1 year ago ::
Apr 19, 2012 - 9:22PM
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In Standard, Mana Leak is trash versus creature decks anyway.
But sure, just keep on blaming Mana Leak.
"Your first instinct may be to blame the flying blue Wild Nacatl that's a dominant card in every format, but you're wrong."
Geist of Saint Traf should totally be harder to answer, great job Wizards!
EDIT: I should mention that I have enormous respect for Zack as a writer and thinker from his pre-Wizards days. I just think that this particular argument is ridiculous.
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1 year ago ::
Apr 19, 2012 - 9:25PM
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About time a card like this got printed. Blue has been spoiled for too long. Mad props wizards.
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