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Switch to Forum Live View 4/17/2012 ReConstructed: "Demon Level: Rising!"
1 year ago  ::  Apr 16, 2012 - 5:05PM #1
Garmichael
Date Joined: Jun 24, 2008
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This thread is for discussion of this week's ReConstructed, which goes live Tuesday morning on magicthegathering.com.

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1 year ago  ::  Apr 16, 2012 - 9:26PM #2
chronego
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Cool article, as per usual. However...

Doesn't that preview card actually play AGAINST the loner theme in Avacyn Restored? If there really are a lot of creatures that want to be the only one you control, than an enchantment that keeps giving you a second creature seems counterproductive. The more I see of this "loner" thing, the more I hate it.
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1 year ago  ::  Apr 16, 2012 - 10:12PM #3
Fenix.
Date Joined: Jan 13, 2012
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I actually really like these loner cards, Demonic Taskmaster has to be my favourite card spoiled so far.

As for Demonic Rising, I don't really like it. Too many hoops to go through to make this truly useful, and costing 5 is kind of too slow. The best interaction I see with this is manlands, but the best manland available now is a nonbo, Inkmoth Nexus . Which puts this card in a weird spot.

Apr 16, 2012 -- 9:26PM, chronego wrote:

Doesn't that preview card actually play AGAINST the loner theme in Avacyn Restored? If there really are a lot of creatures that want to be the only one you control, than an enchantment that keeps giving you a second creature seems counterproductive. The more I see of this "loner" thing, the more I hate it.



Yeah it does. The deck I submitted last week was a UB control that only played 4 Demonic Taskmasters, and it didn't even get mentioned because it is very anti-synergistic with this card.

I really can't find a good place for Demonic Rising, this card compares with Skirsdag High Priest in a way, and I'm not sure it's better. Having 2 creatures and morbid isn't THAT easy to achieve, but on the other hand this costs much more and will only give you 1 demon, while with the priest you could get 1 every turn.

Ehhh, we'll have to see.


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Nov 27, 2012 -- 6:39AM, Mata_Hari wrote:

Nov 27, 2012 -- 12:26AM, BankaiMastery wrote:

Okay, here is the clincher. I've been waiting to say this.

The "cam girl" this was inspired by was just a girl from a social networking website, Stickam. Her name was TinyTerror and she was just a regular girl who was on her webcam, totally unrelated to any type of adult content.

I hope you all feel really smart now.

This is like someone coming into class with a bloody nose and everyone's like "Jeez what happened to you" and they're like "I ran into a wall" and everyone laughs at them for being an idiot but then at the end of the class they say "HAHA JUST KIDDING I PUNCHED MYSELF IN THE FACE!!!!!! TALK ABOUT OWNED HAHAHAHAHA"


Oct 25, 2012 -- 9:53PM, magicpablo666 wrote:

I really enjoy imagining this from Kevin's perspective. Because in Kevin's world, Rosewater actually reads everything he types. Mark is sitting there right now, reading this, and thinking "The greatest trick the devil ever pulled. . ." Or some such. He chuckles low, then clicks on "The Best Of KEVINSET" and says "Yes, this'll do just fine. A busty lady with banding who deals direct damage to Zones!? Why this will be the star of my next set, and no one will ever believe you Kevin." Then he closes his Macbook, so his servant may move it out of the way, while another servant puts a Fetal Richard Garfield Clone lathered in Steak Sauce in front of him. Then Mark Feasts.


Sorin walked into the chamber where his newly wed bride, Vampy, awaited. A beam of moonlight illuminated his brilliant silver hair as he strode with confidence towards the bed. His shirtless body showcased his powerful abdominal muscles and he was wearing jeans with holes in the knees.


Nov 24, 2012 -- 8:07PM, felisdomesticus wrote:

Nov 24, 2012 -- 7:19PM, CherylCheryl wrote:

I wish more girls play magic cards...


Have you considered assassinating Kevin?

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1 year ago  ::  Apr 16, 2012 - 11:29PM #4
goblinrecruiter
Date Joined: Mar 25, 2005
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I could see Demonic Rising being useful with some kind of sacrifice outlet.  You can get rid of all but one creature, cast Demonic Rising, and get a demon.  Next turn, sacrifice the other creature and get another demon.  For 5 mana, you get 10 points of flying power, and you can keep sacrificing one of your demons after attacking with them (giving you an untapped Demon to block with, as well as whatever effect you got from sacrificing it).  Unfortunately, it's a bit slow.
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1 year ago  ::  Apr 16, 2012 - 11:38PM #5
Katastrophe
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That's too bad that his preview card is kind of weak. For 5 mana AND playing the game in such a way that I must have exactly one creature in play I expect a bigger effect. A 5/5 flyer which shuts my own enchantment off is lame. The effect should summon a creature directly from your library or something. The enchantment is basically asking you to throw the game by holding your other creatures back late in the game, and your opponent can disrupt your trigger with removal! (And then swing against a clear board.) No thanks. For five mana I can get a real creature.

-4 enchantments
+4 Grave Titan

or

-4 enchantments
+4 Obliterators

Sure, the Obliterators basically cost 5 with the Inkmoths in the deck, but who cares? This enchantment costs 5 and puts a worse creature into play.
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1 year ago  ::  Apr 16, 2012 - 11:46PM #6
DeEer
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i think we should give Bloodgift Demon  more appreciation, i played with that card, and it realy brakes stalled games nicely, having 2 of them in a mono black deck is quite good. 
i think this deck should go more to a sacrifice theme, with Reassembling Skeleton and  Demonic Rising, you will get a lot of creatures to sac for some funny control effect, sure you should not make it an aggressive token/sac strategy, that just sucks in mono black.
for example Smallpox is a funny card when you dont have creatures or  Reassembling Skeleton

i cant see the hate against 2 ofs and the love for 1 ofs btw.
if i want to draw a card but only late game it mostly is better to have 2 then just 1 in your deck
1 ofs nearly never get drawn unless you dont need your one of (at least thats my experience)
i think 1ofs fit in silver bullit strategy, but a deck without tutoring not so much
but this is prob just personal taste. 
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1 year ago  ::  Apr 17, 2012 - 1:04AM #7
Rainar
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Demonic Rising breaks the symmetry on Divine Reckoning , might be nice to work with.
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1 year ago  ::  Apr 17, 2012 - 1:04AM #8
chronego
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Apr 16, 2012 -- 11:38PM, Katastrophe wrote:

That's too bad that his preview card is kind of weak. For 5 mana AND playing the game in such a way that I must have exactly one creature in play I expect a bigger effect. A 5/5 flyer which shuts my own enchantment off is lame. The effect should summon a creature directly from your library or something. The enchantment is basically asking you to throw the game by holding your other creatures back late in the game, and your opponent can disrupt your trigger with removal! (And then swing against a clear board.) No thanks. For five mana I can get a real creature.

-4 enchantments
+4 Grave Titan

or

-4 enchantments
+4 Obliterators

Sure, the Obliterators basically cost 5 with the Inkmoths in the deck, but who cares? This enchantment costs 5 and puts a worse creature into play.


The creature made by Demonic Rising is more resilient than Phyrexian Obliterator . If it dies, you just wait for another turn during which you have only one other creature, and the demon is back. An opponent has to kill both the creature and the enchantment to keep the demon dead. And it is usually easier to kill a creature than an enchantment, so Grave Titan is similarly easier to deal with than Demonic Rising.

Also, Demonic Rising could, conceivably, put ten points of power on the board, if the other creature you control dies while you keep the token.

I still would rather have Grave Titan , or Bloodgift Demon , or any number of other black fatties, than this enchantment, but it does have its perks.

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1 year ago  ::  Apr 17, 2012 - 3:29AM #9
bateleur_
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I really like this card. Obviously it's just embarrassing in a format full of 6/6 Titans, but they'll be gone soon at which point this will be very tempting as a source of repeatable card advantage.
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1 year ago  ::  Apr 17, 2012 - 3:43AM #10
alextfish
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This card strikes me as definitely wanting a sacrifice engine. None of the sac engines in Standard care about the creature's power/toughness, though (except for Disciple of Griselbrand which is somewhat unexciting), so something like Thraben Doomsayer would be much better. Looks best with Greater Good , Xathrid Demon , or Brion Stoutarm or Vish Kal, Blood Arbiter in a Kaalia of the Vast deck,
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