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1 year ago  ::  Apr 15, 2012 - 11:13PM #1
manofmartin
Date Joined: Mar 12, 2011
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Can buyback and convoke be used together?
I'm hoping sprout swarm can drop for 5 for the buyback and not touch my mana
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1 year ago  ::  Apr 15, 2012 - 11:18PM #2
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Apr 15, 2012 -- 11:13PM, manofmartin wrote:

Can buyback and convoke be used together? I'm hoping sprout swarm can drop for 5 for the buyback and not touch my mana



Yes, is there some reason to think they couldn't be?

601.2e The player determines the total cost of the spell. Usually this is just the mana cost. Some spells have additional or alternative costs. Some effects may increase or reduce the cost to pay, or may provide other alternative costs. Costs may include paying mana, tapping permanents, sacrificing permanents, discarding cards, and so on. The total cost is the mana cost or alternative cost (as determined in rule 601.2b), plus all additional costs and cost increases, and minus all cost reductions. If the mana component of the total cost is reduced to nothing by cost reduction effects, it is considered to be . It can't be reduced to less than . Once the total cost is determined, any effects that directly affect the total cost are applied. Then the resulting total cost becomes "locked in." If effects would change the total cost after this time, they have no effect.



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* Convoke reduces the total cost to play Sprout Swarm. If you choose to pay the buyback cost, Sprout Swarm's total cost is , and convoke can be used to reduce any or all of that cost.


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1 year ago  ::  Apr 15, 2012 - 11:19PM #3
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Yes, that's sort of the intent behind Sprout Swarm. Each creature you tap will reduce the cost of Sprout Swarm by or by one mana of its color. So if you tap 5 creatures, at least one of which is green, you'll be able to reduce the cost of Sprout Swarm-with-buyback to .
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1 year ago  ::  Apr 15, 2012 - 11:23PM #4
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No, just checking before I run it. My friends like to challenge me on older cards from sets we've never seen. They hate that I buy old cards for casual games
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1 year ago  ::  Apr 15, 2012 - 11:25PM #5
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Apr 15, 2012 -- 11:23PM, manofmartin wrote:

older cards


And now I feel old. Tongue Out

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1 year ago  ::  Apr 16, 2012 - 1:08AM #6
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Apr 15, 2012 -- 11:25PM, Raeoran wrote:

Apr 15, 2012 -- 11:23PM, manofmartin wrote:

older cards


And now I feel old. 



This... :P

Sprout Swarm is old? What about actual Ravnica cards?!! XP

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1 year ago  ::  Apr 16, 2012 - 6:35AM #7
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Apr 15, 2012 -- 11:13PM, manofmartin wrote:

Can buyback and convoke be used together?




Both Buyback and Convoke are additional costs. Additional costs may add up endlessly! (just look at taxes...)




ALTERNATIVE costs may not add up: only ONE is allowed:

117.9a Only one alternative cost can be applied to any one spell as it’s being cast...
 

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1 year ago  ::  Apr 16, 2012 - 8:19AM #8
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Sorout Swarm is from Future Sight... That is not old. When I started playing, Legends or Arabian Nights was old, but Future Sight is brand new as far as I am concerned.
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1 year ago  ::  Apr 16, 2012 - 11:10AM #9
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Apr 16, 2012 -- 8:19AM, DocDoom wrote:

Sorout Swarm is from Future Sight... That is not old. When I started playing, Legends or Arabian Nights was old, but Future Sight is brand new as far as I am concerned.



Now I feel OLD. I bought packs of the said expansions.

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