|
1 year ago ::
Apr 15, 2012 - 10:33AM
#1
|
Date Joined:
Apr 15, 2012
|
I want to play Grixis control. I like all three colors. I want this to stand up in competative play. The meta where i play contains mostly delver token decks. This is the list i came up with after getting my face destroyed on friday when i showed up with the original. Below i have posted both the original list and the updated one.
Original 60 cards
Creatures (8)4 Inferno Titan
4 Snapcaster Mage
Spells (26)
3 Whipflare
4 Think Twice
4 Galvanic Blast
3 Incinerate
3 Faithless Looting
3 Brimstone Volley
3 Tragic Slip
1 Black Sun's Zenith
2 Go for the Throat
Artifacts (2)
2 Batterskull
Land (24)
4 Drowned Catacomb
4 Darkslick Shores
4 Sulfur Falls
2 Mountain
6 Island
4 Blackcleave Cliffs
Updated 60 cards
Creatures (7)
3 Inferno Titan
4 Snapcaster Mage
Spells (25)
4 Whipflare
4 Ratchet Bomb
4 Faithless Looting
4 Ponder
3 Sever the Bloodline
4 Mana Leak
2 Surgical Extraction
Artifacts (3)
3 Batterskull
Land (25)
2 Dragonskull Summit
4 Blackcleave Cliffs
4 Darkslick Shores
4 Island
1 Swamp
3 Evolving Wilds
1 Drowned Catacomb
2 Mountain
4 Sulfur Falls
|
|
|
|
1 year ago ::
Apr 15, 2012 - 10:35AM
#2
|
Date Joined:
Apr 15, 2012
|
What i want to know is what recommendations would you make? I have play tested this version against mono green aggro and a R/B aggro deck. I beat both. I have yet to test it in a tournament setting but plan to this coming Thursday then again on Friday.
|
|
|
|
1 year ago ::
Apr 15, 2012 - 11:10AM
#3
|
Date Joined:
Oct 17, 2010
|
Regarding your updated list.... I wouldn't run 3 Sever the Bloodline main. A 2-1 split of Go for the Throat  and Doom Blade  feels much better. I'd rather have 3-4 Forbidden Alchemy  over Ponder. 3 Batterskull is pushing it, 2 is probably fine and I'd go down to 1 if possible. It's good against most non-delver matchups, but mostly bad in that matchup. I like Consecrated Sphinx  over Inferno Titan right now, but that's a minor complaint. Surgical Extraction  is more sideboard fodder than maindeck quality. I'd try to find room for some Black Sun's Zenith  or Slagstorm  . As good as Whipflare is, you'll find it doesn't hit everything in the current metagame. 4 Ratchet Bombs is 1-2 too many. The same with Faithless Looting. Pristine Talisman  and Druidic Satchel  are two niche cards I've liked in Grixis. The lifegain is almost always relevant, and the mana commitment is comparitvely insignificant. You may want to look into adding them in some capacity. Remember also, when you're running lots of cantrips, you don't need 3-4 copies of everything. As great as redundancy and consistency are in a deck, having specific solutions, whether in your maindeck or sideboard, is one of the huge advantages to playing control. Good to see someone named Anti-Control converting the dark side. 
|
|
|
|
1 year ago ::
Apr 15, 2012 - 11:21AM
#4
|
Date Joined:
Aug 29, 2010
|
I started running Grixis back with Innistrad, and it's served me well. There hasn't been a week that I'm not at least top 8 at FNM with my list, but the suggestions I make are focused on how I play and your style may be different. So just take that into account I suppose. The first issue I see is in your creatures. Keep the snaps at 4x, but trim back the Titans. My bombs consist of 1x Wurmcoil Engine[/c] and 1x Inferno Titan. As well, invest in Olivia Voldaren  . Nerfs Inkmoth Nexus  and so many other strategies, and late game you can even snag their bombs for yourself. And your board wipes are... overboard. I run three Slagstorm MD with one slag and two ratchets in the side and I still do well against tokens and other assorted aggro/swarm strategies. With the new set a card will be coming out that honestly will be better than slag and will be replacing it for me. Trim back your board wipes severely to probably three, be they slags of Black Sun's with one in the side, and main or side with Ratchet Bombs is a meta choice, based on the number of token decks you're seeing. But you don't need four. For rebuilding your spells section after the above, work in Dissipate  , as well as some targeted removal, like Go for the Throat and Galvanic Blast  . Some game enders like Devil's Play  or even Sorin's Vengeance  , though these probably ought not exceed two. I personally go for two Devil's Play. For your draw, a little reconstruction may be in order. Definitely get Think Twice in there, and I'm not ecstatic about Ponder  . I can go on just 4x Think Twice. Surgical Extraction is probably another meta choice. I just keep it in the side for Rights decks myself, but it depends on what you're seeing. You might also take a look at Liliana of the Veil  . She really shines in control match ups, though not so much against aggro. Right now, you're built for aggro only. Against a control match up you're going to be dead in the water. I know I've got a small novel for you here, I just hope it helps.
http://thedailydungeon.blogspot.com/
My Daily D&D blog - cities, dungeons, NPC's, and more
|
|
|
|
1 year ago ::
Apr 15, 2012 - 11:35AM
#5
|
Date Joined:
Apr 15, 2012
|
Black sun's zenith seemed good until i used it and saw it rarely was able to remove the tokens once an anthem or two hit the field. I just wouldn't have the mana to wipe the board. Sever removes all the tokens in one go so that's why it's there. I had conscecrated in for awhile but i found it just didn't do the same amount of board control as the inferno. I added an extra batter skull because i was originally rarely drawing it. I would use slag storm but having that 1rr on turn 3 is rare for me and i typically need it on turn 3 or four.
The whipflares i do feel aren't so great against the tokens. Also if i take out the whipflares should i try black suns in their place? The decks i typically face are all tokens so that's why i have 4 ratchet bombs. I know i'm probably over doing it but i need to be able to keep the board clear the entire game. I like faithless looting because it lets me dig and remove lands from my hand when i don't need them also when used in conjuncture with ponder i can simply remove useless fodder off the top of my deck.
The Surgical Extractions are main board because those alone have won me the first game. Getting rid of a strangleroot, seeing my opponents hand and his deck is a major help if it comes in on an early turn.
I probably have myself aimed too much at token decks right now but like i said the decks that are currently played where i do are token decks.
I considered the pristine talisman but wouldn't know when to ever use it. So if i do put those in when would be best to cast them?
The Meta that i play in contains Token decks and R/G agro. I am the only full control player there.
I'm purely focussed on that one FNM environment right now, but i want this deck to perform well overall.
My access to cards is limited right now so staying budget friendly would help. If you don't mind me asking what sort of control deck do you play?
|
|
|
|
1 year ago ::
Apr 15, 2012 - 11:40AM
#6
|
Date Joined:
Apr 15, 2012
|
I started running Grixis back with Innistrad, and it's served me well. There hasn't been a week that I'm not at least top 8 at FNM with my list, but the suggestions I make are focused on how I play and your style may be different. So just take that into account I suppose.
The first issue I see is in your creatures. Keep the snaps at 4x, but trim back the Titans. My bombs consist of 1x Wurmcoil Engine[/c] and 1x Inferno Titan. As well, invest in Olivia Voldaren . Nerfs Inkmoth Nexus and so many other strategies, and late game you can even snag their bombs for yourself.
And your board wipes are... overboard. I run three Slagstorm MD with one slag and two ratchets in the side and I still do well against tokens and other assorted aggro/swarm strategies. With the new set a card will be coming out that honestly will be better than slag and will be replacing it for me. Trim back your board wipes severely to probably three, be they slags of Black Sun's with one in the side, and main or side with Ratchet Bombs is a meta choice, based on the number of token decks you're seeing. But you don't need four.
For rebuilding your spells section after the above, work in Dissipate , as well as some targeted removal, like Go for the Throat and Galvanic Blast . Some game enders like Devil's Play or even Sorin's Vengeance , though these probably ought not exceed two. I personally go for two Devil's Play. For your draw, a little reconstruction may be in order. Definitely get Think Twice in there, and I'm not ecstatic about Ponder . I can go on just 4x Think Twice. Surgical Extraction is probably another meta choice. I just keep it in the side for Rights decks myself, but it depends on what you're seeing. You might also take a look at Liliana of the Veil . She really shines in control match ups, though not so much against aggro.
Right now, you're built for aggro only. Against a control match up you're going to be dead in the water. I know I've got a small novel for you here, I just hope it helps.
@QuietK
I am the only control player at the events i've attended everyone is playing aggro. Also you really find think twice to be better than ponder? I swapped them because i found them to never help me get the right card. It probably is just my play style though.
I've been playing this game for a couple years but i have rarely played control. Mainly its ramp or aggro i just started to find playing like that became boring where as control causes me to think more.
|
|
|
|
1 year ago ::
Apr 15, 2012 - 11:46AM
#7
|
Date Joined:
Jul 18, 2009
|
i really dont like faithless looting in grixis as its card dis advantage.
|
|
|
|
1 year ago ::
Apr 15, 2012 - 11:48AM
#8
|
Date Joined:
Apr 15, 2012
|
i really dont like faithless looting in grixis as its card dis advantage.
Isn't forbidden alchemy kind of the same thing?
|
|
|
|
1 year ago ::
Apr 15, 2012 - 12:00PM
#9
|
Date Joined:
Jul 18, 2009
|
alchemy when cast the first time from your hand is pretty much a 1 for 1 and when you flash it back its a 0 for 1 so you never really lose card advantage. Faithless on the otherhand costs you a card the first time you cast it and is neutral the second time.
|
|
|
|
1 year ago ::
Apr 15, 2012 - 12:09PM
#10
|
Date Joined:
Apr 15, 2012
|
What about the mana cost isn't 1 better then 3? I'm not used to playing control so i'm typically worried about the casting costs of all my things.
|
|
|
