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1 year ago ::
Apr 13, 2012 - 12:26PM
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This thread is for discussion of this weeks's Feature Article, which goes live Monday morning on magicthegathering.com.
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1 year ago ::
Apr 15, 2012 - 9:07PM
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The prevalence of Soulbond in this set is going to make removal, especially in limited, even more important than it was already.
Edit: Now that I've read through the meat of the article I see he touched on this a little.
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1 year ago ::
Apr 15, 2012 - 9:13PM
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Seriously? An 8/8 for five mana whose only drawback is that you have to control a creature. I don't want to play against this. I don't want to be forced to choose between buying this or playing my favorite, formerly-decent 5-mana green creatures and falling behind the power creep. Why are you doing this? This isn't a chase mythic rare; it won't sell tons of packs. It just obsoletes so many fun and interesting cards and creates another moment of "Does anyone have a removal spell? Nope. Guess we all lose." and there are already way too many cards like that printed this last year alone.
Stop printing overpowered creatures. Please.
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1 year ago ::
Apr 15, 2012 - 9:13PM
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Woah. Dat preview card. 12 potential points of power and toughness for a mere five mana in green is insane. A soulbond 1/1 blue flying and a soulbond 2/2 white double strike are costed the same as their non-soulbond counterparts since soulbond is a pro and a con. Nightshade Peddler is costed the same as Ambush Viper, Thornweald Archer, and Deadly Recluse which include an extra ability and point of power or toughness. Can't think of any precedent for an 8/8 green five-mana beatstick though...
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1 year ago ::
Apr 15, 2012 - 9:30PM
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The more I think about it, the more I like Soulbond. My initial reaction was negative, as it seemed so bland; however, now I'm starting to like it. It's got a lot of design space (admittedly almost all of it already covered by auras). I just wish it were flavored more as a mount mechanic, than as a "buddies for life", or whatever it is now.
I agree that five-mana for an 8/8 that also gives another creature +4/+4 is ridiculously over the curve. But hey, it's not the most over-the-curve we've gotten lately, so I guess that's fine... I guess.
I'm disappointed that the wolfir are apparently just going to be regular ol' Wolf creatures. It looks like werewolves are well and truly dead.
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1 year ago ::
Apr 15, 2012 - 9:51PM
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Jan 13, 2012
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Seriously? An 8/8 for five mana whose only drawback is that you have to control a creature. I don't want to play against this. I don't want to be forced to choose between buying this or playing my favorite, formerly-decent 5-mana green creatures and falling behind the power creep. Why are you doing this? This isn't a chase mythic rare; it won't sell tons of packs. It just obsoletes so many fun and interesting cards and creates another moment of "Does anyone have a removal spell? Nope. Guess we all lose." and there are already way too many cards like that printed this last year alone.
Stop printing overpowered creatures. Please.
This.
Wizards, you know for a green creature that costs >4 to become a constructed viable card it either has to be Primeval Titan or do something very different than just being a big dumb beatstick (like Avenger of Zendikar in Valakut decks). Where's Vorapede now? No one plays with Vorapede, even with all the synergy with Birthing pod and the weird vigilance and general power creep, it still doesnt make it for constructed. Will it take printing a 20/20 trample, vigilance, haste, undying, regenerating green dude for 4CMC make you realize you are doing nothing to solve this problem?
So why are you pushing this? How long will it take for you to realize that power creeping big Green creatures is not gonna help. They won't be constructed playable based on stats alone (unless you add Hexproof to them, but that's another story - and another thing you're messing up) so all you're doing when you print these kind of Green creatures is create the scenario Incoming_Wormhole described, which is not fun at all.
Green has always been my least favourite colour alongside White, and by printing this kind of dumb cards you are making it worse. "Hurrr durr I put 12 power worth of creatuers on the field with 5 mana", how fun!
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1 year ago ::
Apr 15, 2012 - 11:20PM
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Toutatis save us for the sky is falling on our heads!
I love the ability of magic players to instantly jump up and down about a card and proclaim how broken it is. Let me say that I think this card is nice, but not overpowering.
Lets look at what you're getting without the soulbonding ability, a vanilla 4/4 for 5 mana in green. Now that on its own is a pretty bad card. This card is only good when it has its friend still present. On its own its fairly useless yes? Thats the crux of a soulbond card, it needs its friend. So why are people forgetting this? Its not like there's a ton of removal available to players or anything... And never mind that, its an 8/8 with no other abilities. How is it going to get past that 1/1 spirit token? Of course in combination with another thats a different story, but thats just it, it needs a buddy to do anything.
This card is fun, but not great. So quit dramatizing.
EDIT: re-read the paired text. So if you have a wingcrafter as well in play, as well as another misc. creature, all 3 get +4+4 and flying?
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1 year ago ::
Apr 16, 2012 - 12:04AM
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I'm pretty sure Daybreak Ranger  is female, so I think it's pretty likely Nightfall Predator  is as well. Unless there's some aspect to the werewolf transformation we haven't been told about?? But gender pedantry apart, this preview does seem pretty ridiculous. As the article says, 12 power for 5 mana hasn't been seen even at mythic; I suppose Grave Titan  would get there given a turn to attack, but the Titans are not acceptable precedent for, well, anything, especially power levels of five-mana creatures. All that said, I am really looking forward to playing with soulbond (just not this creature in particular). It does look a lot of fun. And I'm also happy to have at least two flicker effects at common.
To Popengton: "This can be chump-blocked forever" may be enough to keep a card out of tournament Constructed, but tournament Constructed is *not* the only format. I really can't see this having a good effect on Limited or Casual, both of which are places where it's usually not difficult to keep a creature on the board. Would you say a 20/20 for 3 mana is okay because "it can be chump-blocked forever"?
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1 year ago ::
Apr 16, 2012 - 12:22AM
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The more I think about it, the more I like Soulbond. My initial reaction was negative, as it seemed so bland; however, now I'm starting to like it. It's got a lot of design space (admittedly almost all of it already covered by auras). I just wish it were flavored more as a mount mechanic, than as a "buddies for life", or whatever it is now.
I agree that five-mana for an 8/8 that also gives another creature +4/+4 is ridiculously over the curve. But hey, it's not the most over-the-curve we've gotten lately, so I guess that's fine... I guess.
I would take that as an argument that the rest of the stuff is nuts, not that this one is okay.
I'm disappointed that the wolfir are apparently just going to be regular ol' Wolf creatures. It looks like werewolves are well and truly dead.
I've been saying this ever since they announced double-faced cards weren't going to return. All tribal aspects of Innistrad block are gone. If we're lucky, we might just get a couple of enablers, but nothing better.
Toutatis save us for the sky is falling on our heads!
I love the ability of magic players to instantly jump up and down about a card and proclaim how broken it is. Let me say that I think this card is nice, but not overpowering.
Lets look at what you're getting without the soulbonding ability, a vanilla 4/4 for 5 mana in green. Now that on its own is a pretty bad card. This card is only good when it has its friend still present. On its own its fairly useless yes? Thats the crux of a soulbond card, it needs its friend. So why are people forgetting this? Its not like there's a ton of removal available to players or anything... And never mind that, its an 8/8 with no other abilities. How is it going to get past that 1/1 spirit token? Of course in combination with another thats a different story, but thats just it, it needs a buddy to do anything.
This card is fun, but not great. So quit dramatizing.
At five mana, Green gets a 4 x /4 with trample  or a 5 x /5  . That makes this guy waaaaaaaaaay above the curve. We all understand that the reason this card is so powerful is because a single Doom Blade can easily turn into a 2-for-1. But that just means that this is yet another creature which says "kill me or die." And people find that boring. Also, people are annoyed by Wizards' desire in recent years to obsolete half of Magic (I'm still angry about Phyrexian Obliterator  ).
You're right, though. This card isn't really that good. I'm pretty sure it won't see any play in Standard. Delver and Vapor Snag just destroy this guy.
EDIT: re-read the paired text. So if you have a wingcrafter as well in play, as well as another misc. creature, all 3 get +4+4 and flying?
Pretty sure they don't and they only see the one creature they're bound to.
Zindaras' meta is like a fossil, ancient and its secrets yet to be uncovered. Only men of yore, long dead, knew of it.
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1 year ago ::
Apr 16, 2012 - 12:35AM
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I'm going to have to echo the whines of the above posters. Magic creatures have power-creeped massively over the past 3 years, yes, so I'm fine with some creatures putting older creatures to shame since WotC has obviously recalibrated what they see as an "acceptable" creature ( I disagree with the change mostly, but that's a different issue). But one thing to be especially careful with is just plain dumb vanilla stat boosts. A cool yet powerful ability spices things up, and there can theoretically be decks that it doesn't synergize with, or spoilers, or whatever. Not every Green deck looking for a 6-drop cares about Primeval Titan's lands. However a giant vanilla stat increase invalidates far more cards, as every vanilla-ish 5 mana creature is suddenly pointless. Why should I bother jumping through Gorilla Titan  's hoops? "Control another creature" isn't much of a restriction. It's certainly not a restriction in casual constructed or Limited, and the formats lately haven't had competitive decks that constantly clear the board like the old Wrath / Oblivion Stone / Akroma's Vengeance decks. Meh. If the card was something like "if you control another Wolf or Werewolf, this card gets +4/+4," it'd still be a rather boring undercosted fattie, but at least it's for a specific deck. As is, it feels more like Tarmogoyf with even fewer ways to spoil the condition. (Of course Tarmogoyf was far worse since it was 2 mana, but so it goes.)
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