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1 year ago  ::  Apr 12, 2012 - 10:12PM #11
Astronautic_Bullfrog
Date Joined: May 17, 2009
Posts: 86
I'd like to push back at the negative feedback so far. I really don't think he is as terrifble as people are saying. A midrangey deck that can take full advantage of the card advantage would be happy with him at any point in the game. Even a hyper aggressive red deck may like this on turn two, provided your opponent doesn't have a creature you can't kill, since he gets rid of you excess lands, drawing you into gas, and represents the potential for a large chunk of damage. He gets worse against delver or on later turns than 2 for some decks which probably will keep him out of most maindecks, but at the very least, ANY planeswalker on turn two is a blowout against true control decks, were such a thing to become popular. He's not great, but certainly playable if the sort of decks he wants are also playable.
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1 year ago  ::  Apr 12, 2012 - 10:25PM #12
Monkwren2
Date Joined: Feb 14, 2010
Posts: 25
Well, he's obviously not seeing any standard play, at least not until... the entire block rotates out? So yeah, not happening in standard... or modern... or legacy... or vintage...

Where is this guy supposed to see play? Commander? I mean, he's ok there, but not amazing. Just another planeswalker durdle that dies to a 1/X (or is at least completely negated by one). Even if you're getting benefit from discarding the card (flashback, reanimation, etc), this guy doesn't really seem to do much. Faithless Looting costs one mana less, and draws you two cards right off the bat! As for his other abilities... well, if you're activating them, you're already winning, so meh.
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1 year ago  ::  Apr 12, 2012 - 10:35PM #13
CFL
Date Joined: May 31, 2004
Posts: 56
I actually kinda like this guy.

I like that he's kinda subtle, and tricky, good for a devil planeswalker. Also, he's a devil planeswalker. Which is nifty in and of itself.

I wouldn't be surprised to see him find a home in some deck at some point. My best guess would be combo. Load up your graveyard with red rituals with this guy, then cast past in flames.

Or maybe a sideboard card against draw-go. Drop this guy turn two on the play before they get mana leak, load up on loyalty, then whack them with a sudden impact.

Maybe this guy doesn't cut the mustard, but I wouldn't dismiss him yet. Don't think he'll see much play in this standard meta with Temporal Mastery-Delver running wild though. Invisible stalker kills this guy in no time flat. But I wouldn't be surprised to see him show up in one of the larger formats somewhere.

I'm just happy to see something interesting without attempting to be overpowered like some other cards we've seen this week.

EDIT: Also, anyone notice that this set seems to have a bit of a randomness subtheme? Between this and Miracle? Two mana is pretty aggressive costing, so again I wouldn't be suprised to see this see play. Maybe he and TM can go in the same deck with noxious revival. The answer for how to get those extra TMs out of your hand if you're running 4.
EDIT 2: Add bonfire of the damned from ChannelFireball for more Miracle fun with this sort of deck.

Are there any silver bullets powerful enough that a Silver bullets graveyard deck might be viable? Something like

4 Tibalt
4 Faithless looting
4 Noxious revival
4 reclaim
4 TM
4 Bonfire
16 Silver bullets
20 land
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1 year ago  ::  Apr 12, 2012 - 10:50PM #14
chronego
Date Joined: Jul 6, 2011
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Apr 12, 2012 -- 9:51PM, KingOfOdonata wrote:

Tibalt seems like an interesting character and a mediocre planeswalker. Time will tell have playable he is in the game, but we will probably never hear all that much about who he is. And I hope he is the last planeswalker for this set.


From Mark Rosewater's tumblr:

paperparachute asked: Are you allowed to tell us how many planeswalkers there are going to be in AVR now? Or at least tell us when they're going to be previewed?

There are two. They should be previewed within the next two weeks.


So yes, he's the last planeswalker for this set.

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1 year ago  ::  Apr 12, 2012 - 10:52PM #15
JB_Xyooj
Date Joined: Feb 15, 2010
Posts: 87
Well it seem Mr Devil is getting alot of hate... Better get em while he cheap ish XD
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1 year ago  ::  Apr 12, 2012 - 10:53PM #16
Weretomas
Date Joined: Aug 28, 2011
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Any magic character that has a combover is a b.a. You've got Stromkirk Noble, Doom Blade, 2012 Zombie Token, Garruk Relentless... ect. Theres a crapton. I can't wait for this card to come out, I hope its not competitive so I can buy him for cheap. I want to slip him in with my Red Black Vampire deck.  Yea, its unfortunate that he doesn't spit out any defensive creatures but red should have enough removal to make due. This card to me is ridiculous.
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1 year ago  ::  Apr 12, 2012 - 10:53PM #17
pro_death
Date Joined: Jun 23, 2009
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Be honest, Zac.  If this cost UU, he'd be a straight-up Merfolk Looter and have two other powerful abilities to go along with it.  Right?

You pitted Incinerate against Snapcaster Mage, Mana Leak, Phantasmal Image, and Invisible Stalker?  Seriously?  Snapcaster alone is winning games in Standard, Modern, Legacy, and even Vintage.  I think the other colors can use more of an extra push from time to time.

With that in mind, I strongly feel Tibalt didn't need to have discard that is random.  I won't completely denounce the card at this point, though.  I'll reserve full judgment until I see the rest of the set and get to play with it.  Hopefully, the card you hinted at will help him along.  Right now, I will say that I am somewhat disappointed, because he doesn't seem very useful in current Standard decks.

On the postive side, filtering effects in red are a good idea.  But please note that if you're going to give blue access to more aggressive cards than red (Delver vs. Waif), you should give red the more powerful version of the looting effect in exchange.  Blue was already more powerful overall.  It doesn't need to get the stronger creatures AND keep the better ability.
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1 year ago  ::  Apr 12, 2012 - 11:00PM #18
DavidFoxfire
Date Joined: Mar 17, 2009
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Having it be mediocre isn't what's making me want to drag the people who made this set for a little 'sit down.'

Take a look at this card www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.a...

Than take a look at Dungeon and Dragon's Tieflings...

Excuse me sirs....and madams...but didn't you say that you WEREN'T going to combine the brands?!

Tibault looks like a [REDACTED] Tiefling to me, do you?!
David Foxfire (Gonterman) of Foxfire Studios
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For a list of character I play, including LFR and Encounters
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1 year ago  ::  Apr 12, 2012 - 11:05PM #19
Kensan_Oni
Date Joined: Oct 11, 2005
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For red alone, this isn't horrible good... in R/U, however... maybe this will see play as a turn 3 or 4 drop.

Ability A) Card Filtering is something that red and blue both want. They want to get rid of cards that aren't doing anything (like land) for things that do something. If all it is is a one turn Loot, I think it'll be fine. Sure there are better things to do with your mana, but it can get the guy ignored for a few turns as it starts building up.

Abilty B) Storm Seeker . It's an eh ability. It's been doing pretty well when you put it on a stick . I don't like it here.


Ability C) Super Act of Treason. This is what you want to build for. While B might win you the game, C is the one that swings the control battle into your favor.

Still, I am not sure if I want to build that deck. I think that it could be good, as it's not a horribly important target to destroy by itself until it starts to threaten. I think it's just really hard to judge until it's put into the right deck.
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1 year ago  ::  Apr 12, 2012 - 11:11PM #20
.Blaze.
Date Joined: Jan 24, 2011
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Apr 12, 2012 -- 9:28PM, notCLYDEfrog wrote:

I've never had a planeswalker make me mad before with how bad it was, but tibold is just TERRIBLE.  He doesn't do anything you want a walker to do, he doesn't protect himself, he doesn't even burn stuff off the board when he comes down, at least chandra always had that option if you were desperate red decks NEVERwant this card there are always going to be better two drops even if they are just 2 one drops.  ALSO seriously in what world do they see this guy surviving past a turn or two, we live in the world of delver and invisible stalker TERRIBLE WIZARDS why would red decks want to pay two mana to cast temporarl mastery for their opponent, cause thats all tibalt is, a free turn for them.



R/U Delver and Frites both might like this. 

And how is it Time Walk if they spend time attacking him. He just gained you virtual life, dug you a little depper into the deck, and maybe set up your yard a bit.
 
And really, what did you expect out of a 2 mana walker.
 

Apr 12, 2012 -- 11:00PM, DavidFoxfire wrote:

Having it be mediocre isn't what's making me want to drag the people who made this set for a little 'sit down.'

Take a look at this card www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.a...

Than take a look at Dungeon and Dragon's Tieflings...

Excuse me sirs....and madams...but didn't you say that you WEREN'T going to combine the brands?!

Tibault looks like a [REDACTED] Tiefling to me, do you?!



I can see where your coming from a little but those are obviously dragons while this is obviously a devil.


Anyway, I like how the closing was talking about how next week will have an article about being a hater. Almost like they knew this card would get a lot of hate. 

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