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1 year ago ::
Apr 12, 2012 - 2:33PM
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Creatures-24 Order of the Stars  x2 Veteran Armorer  x2 Leonin Skyhunter  x1 Kor Aeronaut  x3 Oracle of Nectars  x2 Slith Ascendant  x1 Guardian Seraph  x2 Emeria Angel  x2 Magus of the Moat  x4 Baneslayer Angel  x1 Serra Angel  x1 Battlegrace Angel  x1 Pentarch Paladin  x1 Archon of Redemption  x1 Removal(ish) spells-10 Terashi's Verdict  x2 Cage of Hands  x1 Pacifism  x2 Condemn  x1 Reciprocate  x1 Terashi's Grasp  x2 Otherworldly Journey  x1 Other enchantments-3 Honor of the Pure  x2 Luminous Wake  x1 im trying to make a mono white flyer deck, problem is I have a whole lot of 4 and 5 mana creatures and im not sure how many lands this deck ought to have. Any other advice on this deck would be very helpful, too many creatures? too much removal? ect God Bless.
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1 year ago ::
Apr 12, 2012 - 2:34PM
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- Unconventional Mafia Pro
- Dark Lord
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run 24. Drop the Withstand, Luminous Wakes, and a Terashi's grasp for the extra land.
"Enjoy your screams, Sarpadia - they will soon be muffled beneath snow and ice." THE COALITION WAR GAME-Phyrexian Praetor Round 1: (4-1-2, 1 kill) Round 2: (16-8-2, 4 kills) Round 3: (18-9-2, 1 kill) Round 4: (22-10-0, 2 kills) Round 5: (56-16-3, 9 kills) Round 6: (8-7-1) [current round] Last Edited by Ralph on blank, 1920
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1 year ago ::
Apr 12, 2012 - 2:57PM
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run 24. Drop the Withstand, Luminous Wakes, and a Terashi's grasp for the extra land.
I can see why the withstand and luminous wakes, but why the grasp? if I remove those I wont have any enchantment or artifact destruction at all. the friends I play with typically run a lot of pacifisms and glorious anthems, I would hate to have nothing against those.
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1 year ago ::
Apr 12, 2012 - 3:14PM
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- Unconventional Mafia Pro
- Dark Lord
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That's why I said only one grasp, thought perhaps I wasn't clear. Leaves you with two grasps and the Pentarch to deal with troublesome enchantments
So, to summarize, you need to clear 4 slots for land. I'd do it with
-1 Withstand
-2 Luminous Wake
-1 Terashi's Grasp.
If you're really worried about the enchantments though, you could take out the Otherworldly Journey instead, though it's nice for resetting order/pentarch or re-triggering Archon.
"Enjoy your screams, Sarpadia - they will soon be muffled beneath snow and ice." THE COALITION WAR GAME-Phyrexian Praetor Round 1: (4-1-2, 1 kill) Round 2: (16-8-2, 4 kills) Round 3: (18-9-2, 1 kill) Round 4: (22-10-0, 2 kills) Round 5: (56-16-3, 9 kills) Round 6: (8-7-1) [current round] Last Edited by Ralph on blank, 1920
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1 year ago ::
Apr 12, 2012 - 4:21PM
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I may be really old school, but back in the days wasn't 40/20 the approximate ratio for a 60 cards deck?
So counting your 42, and some moderate/high cost card I think Tevish_Szat suggestion of 24 is right.
My decks, mostly casuals, but some I use online with some small changes:
http://www.mtgvault.com/Profile.aspx?UserID=91484
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1 year ago ::
Apr 12, 2012 - 4:30PM
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That's why I said only one grasp, thought perhaps I wasn't clear. Leaves you with two grasps and the Pentarch to deal with troublesome enchantments
So, to summarize, you need to clear 4 slots for land. I'd do it with
-1 Withstand
-2 Luminous Wake
-1 Terashi's Grasp.
If you're really worried about the enchantments though, you could take out the Otherworldly Journey instead, though it's nice for resetting order/pentarch or re-triggering Archon.
oh I see, sorry I misunderstood. and yeah what your saying makes sense, ill go ahead and do those changes. I can definately live with just 2 grasps I think.
I may be really old school, but back in the days wasn't 40/20 the approximate ratio for a 60 cards deck?
So counting your 42, and some moderate/high cost card I think Tevish_Szat suggestion of 24 is right.
That sounds about right, ill probably go ahead and try 24, if I feel its too much ill bring it down to 23 I suppose, but 24 sounds good.
What do you guys think about me removing Pentarch Paladin ? Its a great card but perhaps it doesnt fit right in THIS deck? I have too many 5 drops it looks like but i could be wrong.
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1 year ago ::
Apr 12, 2012 - 5:56PM
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I'll guess 22 lands because the average mana cost is about 2.9. I've done 20 pretty easily in low mana cost decks but it's better to err on the high side. If you have more than 60 cards in the deck then you need more land of course. 24 is the right number in general though for most decks.
I wouldn't worry if you end up with a 61 or 62 card deck. Time spent agonizing on what to remove for that 1.5% increase in reliability per card could be better spent. Or if you remove the wrong card then you could make things worse. Or sometimes there may simply be no good card to remove because going from 4 to 3 (-25%) or 3 to 2 (-33%) is way too big of a jump for every single card.
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1 year ago ::
Apr 12, 2012 - 6:14PM
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I'll guess 22 lands because the average mana cost is about 2.9. I've done 20 pretty easily in low mana cost decks but it's better to err on the high side. If you have more than 60 cards in the deck then you need more land of course. 24 is the right number in general though for most decks.
I wouldn't worry if you end up with a 61 or 62 card deck. Time spent agonizing on what to remove for that 1.5% increase in reliability per card could be better spent. Or if you remove the wrong card then you could make things worse. Or sometimes there may simply be no good card to remove because going from 4 to 3 (-25%) or 3 to 2 (-33%) is way too big of a jump for every single card.
aye, Ive never had a deck thats been exactly 60 cards, I almost always go a bit over. I figured I would try to keep this one at 60 but I doubt I can do that haha, we'll see
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1 year ago ::
Apr 13, 2012 - 6:19AM
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Ok I updated the original post, any other help would be appreciated. Can anyone that has played with a Pentarch Paladin tell me how it is? Debating weather I should keep it in or not. How often do you use its effect, if any? It seems like it would be removed by the opponent right as it hits the board lol
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