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1 year ago ::
Apr 12, 2012 - 4:09PM
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I feel like I'm pretty much done with flavor as a way to justify things.
Maybe I'm wrong--happens all the time--but the "famed Nephalian astronomancer Jenrik." is mentioned on one card in the entire block (pre Avacyn.)
Not very famous, then.
In addition, no mention of a mysterious assistant/co-scholar/powerful being.
Once again, a huge opportunity squandered. This card could have been teased out; there could have been support for a Moonfolk in Innistrad. It's not like there weren't cards that didn't spotlight the moon.
There isn't: She just appears with the only explaination coming from the AR Player's guide (note, that search brought up nothing) so for 90% of the people--heck, for the writer of the article-- there is no justification for her existence. It's the ugliest kind of deus ex machina, because that appearance doesn't even matter.
It just seems like this is bad and they should feel bad.
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1 year ago ::
Apr 12, 2012 - 5:14PM
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tamiyo is a neat planeswalker. I am more interested in her final ability though. I am already thinking of some sort of synergy with perilous myr and heartless summoning, mix in a havengul lich and some more delvers. I don't know if it would work as for I am poor and jobless so I will not be able to create it.
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1 year ago ::
Apr 12, 2012 - 5:19PM
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I feel like I'm pretty much done with flavor as a way to justify things.
Maybe I'm wrong--happens all the time--but the "famed Nephalian astronomancer Jenrik." is mentioned on one card in the entire block (pre Avacyn.)
Not very famous, then.
In addition, no mention of a mysterious assistant/co-scholar/powerful being.
Once again, a huge opportunity squandered. This card could have been teased out; there could have been support for a Moonfolk in Innistrad. It's not like there weren't cards that didn't spotlight the moon.
There isn't: She just appears with the only explaination coming from the AR Player's guide (note, that search brought up nothing) so for 90% of the people--heck, for the writer of the article-- there is no justification for her existence. It's the ugliest kind of deus ex machina, because that appearance doesn't even matter.
It just seems like this is bad and they should feel bad.
Jenrik is mentioned in the Planeswalker's Guide to Innistrad: Nephalia
www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.a...
As shown by the guide, Jenrik is known by the people of Innistrad and they are curious as to what he is up to as he is an Astronomer studying the moon. While his studies are important to the people of Innistrad, they have no baring on the focus of the Innistrad cards that we see.
The characters that are known by us are the creatures of evil, the forces of good, and the leaders who command them and figure prominently in the war between the two sides. This is why Gisa and Geralf are well known to us. They are prime characters dealing with a good portion of the zombies that we see.
Simply put, Jenrik is a scientist and a passive observer who plays no part in the war. The same can be said of Tamiyo. She is a planeswalker, but she uses her abilities to find things to study. As is discussed in the AR player's guide she was observing Innistrad for many years(cycles). However, all she was doing was simply observing and writing down her observations. Her observations were in line with what Jenrik was studying which is likely why she sought him out. But their studies mean nothing to the war on Innistrad and their story means nothing to the war as well.
Basically, we have added another thread to the story of Innistrad which is separate from the primary story of the war and Tamiyo is a prominent figure in that story and as a planeswalker she can be made into a card. Why she needed to be in the set is beyond me and not my concern.
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1 year ago ::
Apr 12, 2012 - 5:21PM
#54
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Jan 19, 2010
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******************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************** From Mark Rosewater's Tumblr: the0uroboros asked: How in the same set can we have a hexproof, unsacrificable(not a word) creature AND a land that makes it uncounterable. How does this lead to interactive play? I believe I’m able to play my creature and you have to deal with it is much more interactive than you counter my creature. ******************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************** Post #777
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1 year ago ::
Apr 12, 2012 - 5:51PM
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Coming in from the cold to comment on this card. I am fine with planeswalker cards that are strong, powerful, but there seems to be a line that some cards cross that is both appealing and ignored, and I think this card crosses it. Experientially, it was Jace's costless Brainstorm with backup board control, but that's an unfair concern. Tamiyo crosses a different line. When showing the card to another player, that person's first reaction was to reread the final ability, then parse it to yet a third player. That person's reaction was hilarious. Here's a transcript of the conversation: Player A: "It's ultimate gives you an emblem that's effectively the love-child between Library of Leng  and Yawgmoth's Will  . Player A: "It's ultimate is basically your graveyard is your hand, forever. Player A: "Play a spell, you can cast the same card immediately. Discard a card, it's back in your hand to discard again. Player A: "Have an extra-turn card? Infinite turns. Psychatog? Infinite P/T." Player B: "Black of course." Player A: "Mono. Blue." Player B: "Wat." Player B: "That makes no sense." As someone mentioned earlier, if you have a dredge card in your graveyard, when you start this, it places all "dredged" card back into your hand. Land's Edge  : Infinite damage with a land card. Mind Over Matter  : Infinite mana. Psychatog  : Infinite P/T. Peace of Mind  : Infinite life. You need to get this card to ultimate first, you say? Doubling Season  , resolve the PW. Gilder Bairn  . You'll be using countermagic back up, especially those that draw you extra cards. This was hardly a problem when it came to getting Venser to ultimate, why stop at that!? But it won't be as strong in Standard as outside of it, where the format favors more nasty cards (see above) than Standard enjoys. Still... Delver of Secrets  : No card loss at all. Then again, Looters -- any of them -- are pure card advantage ... period. Traumatize  : Every answer your deck has, ever. It seems to me that while Blue is inarguably the most powerful color in Magic (most banned cards in Magic), people still think they can play other colors. This should be changed. Blue should be the only color, and thus it should dip its toes in fields where other colors go ... or went, rather. That's Blue's territory, now, and this isn't even Planar Chaos.
"Possibilities abound, too numerous to count."
"Innocent, unbiased observation is a myth." --- P.B. Medawar (1969)
"Ever since man first left his cave and met a stranger with a different language and a new way of looking at things, the human race has had a dream: to kill him, so we don't have to learn his language or his new way of looking at things." --- Zapp Brannigan (Beast With a Billion Backs)
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1 year ago ::
Apr 12, 2012 - 9:36PM
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Tamiyo wants a different environment than the current Standard, or even Block. Played in Avacyn Restored context she'd be superb for tapping down the huge Angels and Demons. But right now with swords and weenies, that +1 is a pretty weak defense. Maybe if Delver gets banned she'll be big after rotation, but not right now.
Which makes me wonder why it was Flores' preview...
The ultimate is amazing, as most ultimates are. The infinite possibilities are great for Timmy Johnnies. (Any single ritual is infinite mana, for example.). Spike on the other hand is the guy who will laugh his ass off at you if you ever ultimate her and don't win.
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1 year ago ::
Apr 13, 2012 - 12:08AM
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Isn't the "No maximum hand size" part is completely unnecessary? At your discard phase, you would discard the excess cards to your graveyard back into your hand.
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1 year ago ::
Apr 13, 2012 - 1:32AM
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Without the unlimited hand size, you would discard down to 7 in the cleanup step. You don't normally get a chance to do things in cleanup, but in this case the emblem's ability would trigger, returning the cards to your hand, and because something triggered (meaning that players do gain priority in that cleanup step) it's immediately followed by another cleanup step, where you'll presumably discard the same cards over again. Without a way to reduce your hand size to 7 on a sustainable basis, there will be a neverending cycle of cleanup steps: drawn game.
Ultimates are supposed to set you up to win the game, not draw it, so that's what the hand size ability is for.
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1 year ago ::
Apr 13, 2012 - 1:49AM
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Isn't the "No maximum hand size" part is completely unnecessary? At your discard phase, you would discard the excess cards to your graveyard back into your hand.
Which means after that trigger resolves there is a new cleanup step. And another. And again. Until you decide not to return them to your hand anymore.
EDIT: what he said, except that Tamiyo's trigger has 'may'.
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1 year ago ::
Apr 13, 2012 - 10:46AM
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Date Joined:
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I feel like I'm pretty much done with flavor as a way to justify things.
Maybe I'm wrong--happens all the time--but the "famed Nephalian astronomancer Jenrik." is mentioned on one card in the entire block (pre Avacyn.)
Not very famous, then.
In addition, no mention of a mysterious assistant/co-scholar/powerful being.
Once again, a huge opportunity squandered. This card could have been teased out; there could have been support for a Moonfolk in Innistrad. It's not like there weren't cards that didn't spotlight the moon.
There isn't: She just appears with the only explaination coming from the AR Player's guide (note, that search brought up nothing) so for 90% of the people--heck, for the writer of the article-- there is no justification for her existence. It's the ugliest kind of deus ex machina, because that appearance doesn't even matter.
It just seems like this is bad and they should feel bad.
Jenrik is mentioned in the Planeswalker's Guide to Innistrad: Nephalia
www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.a...
As shown by the guide, Jenrik is known by the people of Innistrad and they are curious as to what he is up to as he is an Astronomer studying the moon. While his studies are important to the people of Innistrad, they have no baring on the focus of the Innistrad cards that we see.
Says you. Again, here is this character who is only mentioned once and is there to justify the existence of a Planeswalker in the Big Reveal set. So maybe a bit more groundwork could be laid, yes?
Simply put, Jenrik is a scientist and a passive observer who plays no part in the war. The same can be said of Tamiyo. She is a planeswalker, but she uses her abilities to find things to study. As is discussed in the AR player's guide she was observing Innistrad for many years(cycles). However, all she was doing was simply observing and writing down her observations. Her observations were in line with what Jenrik was studying which is likely why she sought him out. But their studies mean nothing to the war on Innistrad and their story means nothing to the war as well.
Then why bring her in at all? This is a flavor block and the story matters. Having her exist like this is bad storytelling.
Basically, we have added another thread to the story of Innistrad which is separate from the primary story of the war and Tamiyo is a prominent figure in that story and as a planeswalker she can be made into a card. Why she needed to be in the set is beyond me and not my concern.
So not only do you not care, you seem to have very little grasp as to what my objection is at all. Since that's the case, I shall bid you a good day.
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