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1 year ago ::
Apr 08, 2012 - 4:16PM
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@Macd80: Again, this is just reminder text. Not rules text. Quoting from another thread: Matt Tabak on Twitter:
"You reveal the card when you draw it, which causes miracle to trigger. When it resolves, you may cast the card."
" Can you choose not to reveal it?"
"Sure. But that means you're not casting it for its miracle cost."
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1 year ago ::
Apr 08, 2012 - 4:35PM
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- Niftily helpful
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There should be a feature article up tonight to go over the new mechanics. Until that time, there's not much of a point in speculating.
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1 year ago ::
Apr 08, 2012 - 5:29PM
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**SPOILER** please!
I know this is a mite off-topic, but I think having "New Mechanic: Avacyn Restored" in the title sort of suggests that here be spoilers...
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1 year ago ::
Apr 09, 2012 - 7:03AM
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Can you play a Sorcery with Miracle if it's the first card you draw on your opponent's turn?
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1 year ago ::
Apr 09, 2012 - 7:08AM
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yes, Miracle lets you ignore the normal timing restrictions (well, not all of them  )
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1 year ago ::
Apr 09, 2012 - 7:10AM
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Here's the quote from the article on the WotC site... As you draw an instant or sorcery with miracle, if it's the first card you've drawn this turn, you can immediately reveal it. When you do so, you may cast it for its miracle cost. It doesn't matter whether it's an instant or sorcery; if you choose to cast it, you do so right away, even if it's at a time (such as your draw step) when you couldn't normally cast it. You're not required to reveal a miracle card, even if you could pay for it. You can always choose to just draw it as normal.
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1 year ago ::
Apr 09, 2012 - 9:33AM
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A miscommunication prevented the official rules for miracle from going up on the website last night. That issue is being addressed, and more information should become available on DailyMTG.com in the next twenty-four hours. In the meantime, I'll share the offical rules for miracle so that the conversation in this forum can stay on track. 702.91. Miracle 702.91a Miracle is a static ability linked to a triggered ability (see rule 603.10). "Miracle [cost]" means "You may reveal this card from your hand as you draw it if it's the first card you've drawn this turn. When you reveal this card this way, you may cast it by paying [cost] rather than its mana cost." 702.91b If a player chooses to reveal a card using its miracle ability, he or she plays with that card revealed until that card leaves his or her hand, that ability resolves, or that ability otherwise leaves the stack.
Sorry for the confusion.
Del Laugel
Senior editor, Magic TCG
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1 year ago ::
Apr 09, 2012 - 10:31AM
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I've been optimistic about everything, but I don't like the mojo surrounding this mechanic. WotC has always done a good job at trying not to leave anything up to "just trusting" the opponent. Hence when you use a spell or ability to search for something specific, you have to reveal it, etc. How 702.91a is written I don't think it's a good idea. Now EVERY CARD your opponet draws, you have to track where they put it in their hand for when they say "Yeah, I think I will cast it now at it's Miracle cost".
There just is no cussion between drawing this card and the card "being in a players hand" where this mechanic is designed to work. I'm VERY relaxed in my gameplay, even in tourneys. I've won games from "mistakes"people have made and let them take it back if there was an "over sight" or something. But once the card goes from top of deck to the players hand... I will be hard pressed to be okay with letting them play the Miracle mechanic after that.
I LIKE that 702.91a says "as you draw it", but "reveal this card from your hand" will make an easy argument of "I drew the card, seen what it was, and want to use the Miracle mechanic". It's too easy (except in something liek MTGO) for people to use the Miracle mechanic on a card they had in their hand countless turns.
It should read something like "as you draw it, but before you put the card into your hand" that way it falls on the responsibility of the person with the Miracle cards to verify the legitimacy and not fall on the opponent to "trust" the other.
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1 year ago ::
Apr 09, 2012 - 10:39AM
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I've been optimistic about everything, but I don't like the mojo surrounding this mechanic. WotC has always done a good job at trying not to leave anything up to "just trusting" the opponent. Hence when you use a spell or ability to search for something specific, you have to reveal it, etc. How 702.91a is written I don't think it's a good idea. Now EVERY CARD your opponet draws, you have to track where they put it in their hand for when they say "Yeah, I think I will cast it now at it's Miracle cost".
No you don't. If they move it to the other cards in their hand, they're past the "as you draw it" stage, and it's too late to reveal. They need to reveal it before it touches the other cards in their hand.
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1 year ago ::
Apr 09, 2012 - 10:45AM
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I've been optimistic about everything, but I don't like the mojo surrounding this mechanic. WotC has always done a good job at trying not to leave anything up to "just trusting" the opponent. Hence when you use a spell or ability to search for something specific, you have to reveal it, etc. How 702.91a is written I don't think it's a good idea. Now EVERY CARD your opponet draws, you have to track where they put it in their hand for when they say "Yeah, I think I will cast it now at it's Miracle cost".
here is how it works
as the card leaves the library, it is in your hand and you can reveal and cast it for the miracle cost.
as soon as it is with the other cards in your hand the draw is over and the miracle has passed.
there is no need to trust your opponent, the rules are quite clear on this.
granted, they could be worded more easier to understand for people not intimately familiar with the rules (it took me a few times rereading it as well  )
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