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1 year ago ::
Apr 10, 2012 - 7:51AM
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Sure. There's not a lot of instant-timing discard though.
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1 year ago ::
Apr 10, 2012 - 7:55AM
#42
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Jan 19, 2003
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So does this mean you can respond to the trigger by making them discard the card, before the trigger that allows them to cast it resolves?
Yes. Vendilion Clique  could also do the trick.
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1 year ago ::
Apr 10, 2012 - 7:58AM
#43
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So if I am about to draw more than one card I don't get to know what draws 2+ will be before I must chose to reveal or not? If this is the first card I darw in a turn off of Desperate Ravings  can I cast it before facing the chance to discard it?
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1 year ago ::
Apr 10, 2012 - 8:02AM
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Jan 19, 2003
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So if I am about to draw more than one card I don't get to know what draws 2+ will be before I must chose to reveal or not?
Correct. Cards are drawn one at a time, and you need to reveal the card as you draw it if you want Miracle to trigger.
If this is the first card I darw in a turn off of Desperate Ravings can I cast it before facing the chance to discard it?
No. You can only cast it when the triggered ability resolves. In other words, desperate ravings has to finish resolving, then the trigger gets put on the stack, then each player gets a chance to respond, and only if there are no responses does the ability then resolve.
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1 year ago ::
Apr 10, 2012 - 8:31AM
#45
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If its a triggered ability does that mean it can be Stifle  d? If so does the card stay in your hand?
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1 year ago ::
Apr 10, 2012 - 8:35AM
#46
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Date Joined:
Oct 13, 2002
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Yes, it can be stifled. Yes, it stays in your hand.
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1 year ago ::
Apr 10, 2012 - 8:36AM
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If its a triggered ability does that mean it can be Stifle d? If so does the card stay in your hand?
Yes, it can be Stifled. In that case, it cannot be cast for its miracle cost, and the card is no longer revealed. It's still in your hand.
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1 year ago ::
Apr 10, 2012 - 11:14AM
#48
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Date Joined:
Oct 23, 2003
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I instinctively feel there is some problem with this mechanic, but I'm not totally sure and can't pin down rulings exactly.
It seems to me that the replacement effect has to apply to the card while it is the top card of your library, this doesn't seem to be stated. If it just applied in your hand, it would be too late to do anything.
I'm also worried because drawing a card is a card moving from one hidden zone to another, so this replacement effect is not publicly visible and isn't apparent until the card is actually revealed... which involves having already invoked the replacement effect...
Maybe this all works out, but it just seems a bit fishy to me.
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1 year ago ::
Apr 10, 2012 - 11:17AM
#49
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Date Joined:
Apr 16, 2009
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Just like Sylvan Library  , although there is only 1 Hand Zone (per player), you are required to keep some cards separate from others. If you put the card with the rest of them in the Hand Zone before you reveal it, you won't be casting it for its Miracle cost.
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1 year ago ::
Apr 10, 2012 - 11:22AM
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Date Joined:
Jul 28, 2010
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keep your hand in one hand, draw with your other hand, look at it, then choose to reveal and cast it or put it with your other cards
this is probably how it will be played at professional level, as soon as the card touches the other cards in your hand and therefor could potentially be confused the miracle is over.
it is your responsibility to keep them separeted during the draw.
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