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1 year ago  ::  May 05, 2012 - 6:20PM #181
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May 5, 2012 -- 8:08AM, Skibo_the_first wrote:

Four cards to not a set make. Planesawlkers and/or legends do not follow a set color scheme. The entire set wouldn't need to follow Jace/Niv and BOlas/Tezz's color schemes.




Yeah. Innistrad's faces of the sets: Liliana (black), Sorin (black-white), Avacyn (white)

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1 year ago  ::  May 05, 2012 - 9:59PM #182
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I doubt his whole plan was throw Tezz at it and see what happens. If there was no more to it than that Bolas is decaying so fast he's going to be radioactive.
And that's true, I forgot about him. He just never was very interesting to me.
It just seems like they pass up opportunities to do big, dramatic things involving stuff we care about. I wanted to see what happened to Rafiq, and if Zendikarians (as I now dub them) have done anything noteworthy in the last few years but get turned into dust by Ulamog, there's just so much that's been promised that hasn't actually gotten here yet. I feel like a fan of Lost.


@ TheMOTI: Seems unlikly it'll be like that, Innistrad's whole thing was a large scale good ol' fashioned good vs evil as set in and , while Ravnica is remembered as being about the guilds, who evenly cover every color. Ravnica 2: The Ravnicking therefor is very likely to be a set based on color pairs like the original.

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1 year ago  ::  May 05, 2012 - 11:02PM #183
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May 5, 2012 -- 8:08AM, Skibo_the_first wrote:

Four cards to not a set make. Planesawlkers and/or legends do not follow a set color scheme. The entire set wouldn't need to follow Jace/Niv and BOlas/Tezz's color schemes.




I know, I'm complaining more that we don't have the depth to green planeswalkers that we do to other colours. And the walkers coming up that we know about aren't green. Ral Zarek, Dack Fayden, Nicol Bolas' returning, probably another Jace. All in the red, black and/or blue part of the colour wheel.

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1 year ago  ::  May 06, 2012 - 12:17AM #184
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May 5, 2012 -- 9:59PM, Deaderpool wrote:

I doubt his whole plan was throw Tezz at it and see what happens. If there was no more to it than that Bolas is decaying so fast he's going to be radioactive.




Yep, that was teh whole plan. Boals didn't want the Phyrexians to become a threat so he sent Tezz there to distrupt them. It was a flimsy escuse to have Tezz show up on MIrrodin.

Bolas decaying was only important in Alara, he's stabalized after consuming the maelstrom. We don't know waht he wants with the Eldrazi. But on Mirrodin he just wanted to disrupt the Phyrexians.

It just seems like they pass up opportunities to do big, dramatic things involving stuff we care about. I wanted to see what happened to Rafiq, and if Zendikarians (as I now dub them) have done anything noteworthy in the last few years but get turned into dust by Ulamog, there's just so much that's been promised that hasn't actually gotten here yet. I feel like a fan of Lost.




Alot of people care about Venser (I don't know why, but they do). Hell Brady's avatar was enser for awhile. Karn gaining a Spark was a big, dramatic event, Sorin changing color is another big event, Garruk being cursed is another dramatic event. You don't need to senslessly kill people to create drama, we have seen characters grow and change.

We've never been given complete closure on any story in magic. You want to know what happened to Rafiq... well we don't even know what happened to Kos, we only found out what happened to Glissa and Slobad seven years after Mirrodin. This isn't a new trend to the stories.

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1 year ago  ::  May 06, 2012 - 2:48AM #185
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May 6, 2012 -- 12:17AM, Skibo_the_first wrote:

, Sorin changing color is another big event




I thought the official line is that he was always BW-aligned, so he hasn't actually changed colour.

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Nov 3, 2010 -- 10:05PM, Razorgore wrote:

It's really not even about giving niche cards to black.



It should be about giving black cards to Niche.

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1 year ago  ::  May 06, 2012 - 3:56AM #186
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May 6, 2012 -- 2:48AM, MrIndigo wrote:

May 6, 2012 -- 12:17AM, Skibo_the_first wrote:

, Sorin changing color is another big event




I thought the official line is that he was always BW-aligned, so he hasn't actually changed colour.




No, the official line was "Sorin only has these feelings about Innistrad, and being on the plane awakens a white side that he doesn't have other places."
(It still doesn't really explain the implication that he suddenly feels like using white magic only when on Innistrad.)

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1 year ago  ::  May 06, 2012 - 4:55AM #187
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May 6, 2012 -- 3:56AM, Barinellos wrote:

May 6, 2012 -- 2:48AM, MrIndigo wrote:

May 6, 2012 -- 12:17AM, Skibo_the_first wrote:

, Sorin changing color is another big event




I thought the official line is that he was always BW-aligned, so he hasn't actually changed colour.




No, the official line was "Sorin only has these feelings about Innistrad, and being on the plane awakens a white side that he doesn't have other places."
(It still doesn't really explain the implication that he suddenly feels like using white magic only when on Innistrad.)




Well, he certainly used white magic on creating Avacyn. Maybe he uses it for all this "keep the balance" thing he considers important there.


Is the "forming bonds with lands to draw mana" thing still valid? If so, maybe Sorin has bonds with Innistrad's plains, but not with other planes's plains.

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1 year ago  ::  May 06, 2012 - 7:06AM #188
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May 6, 2012 -- 4:55AM, will_dice wrote:

Well, he certainly used white magic on creating Avacyn. Maybe he uses it for all this "keep the balance" thing he considers important there.

Is the "forming bonds with lands to draw mana" thing still valid? If so, maybe Sorin has bonds with Innistrad's plains, but not with other planes's plains.




Sorin needn't have used white mana to create Avacyn. Avacyn's power comes fro the humans of Innistrad, they seem to supply her with all the mana she'll need. All Sorin would need to have done is focus that faith and want for a hero into the creation of an angel. He could contribute alot of generic mana to teh spell. *

Planesawlkers can draw mana from other planes, Sorin is white becaue sorin cares about Innistrad in a very white way. Whereas on Zendikar he didn't (I guess).

The whole thing just feels like a flimsy excuse to have a W/B Sorin.


* Remember that Ixidor (a blue mage) created Akroma (a white mage). Barrin (A blue mage) cast Obliterate . One's color doesn't really say what spells or creatures they can create. Planeswalkers focus on one dispipline of magic, so even though Sorin might be white in Innistrad, he still focuses on lifeblood magic. And that's mostly black. (maybe some white and green)

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1 year ago  ::  May 06, 2012 - 8:26AM #189
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May 6, 2012 -- 12:17AM, Skibo_the_first wrote:

May 5, 2012 -- 9:59PM, Deaderpool wrote:

I doubt his whole plan was throw Tezz at it and see what happens. If there was no more to it than that Bolas is decaying so fast he's going to be radioactive.




Yep, that was teh whole plan. Boals didn't want the Phyrexians to become a threat so he sent Tezz there to distrupt them. It was a flimsy escuse to have Tezz show up on MIrrodin.

Bolas decaying was only important in Alara, he's stabalized after consuming the maelstrom. We don't know waht he wants with the Eldrazi. But on Mirrodin he just wanted to disrupt the Phyrexians.

It just seems like they pass up opportunities to do big, dramatic things involving stuff we care about. I wanted to see what happened to Rafiq, and if Zendikarians (as I now dub them) have done anything noteworthy in the last few years but get turned into dust by Ulamog, there's just so much that's been promised that hasn't actually gotten here yet. I feel like a fan of Lost.




Alot of people care about Venser (I don't know why, but they do). Hell Brady's avatar was enser for awhile. Karn gaining a Spark was a big, dramatic event, Sorin changing color is another big event, Garruk being cursed is another dramatic event. You don't need to senslessly kill people to create drama, we have seen characters grow and change.

We've never been given complete closure on any story in magic. You want to know what happened to Rafiq... well we don't even know what happened to Kos, we only found out what happened to Glissa and Slobad seven years after Mirrodin. This isn't a new trend to the stories.


It depends on what you mean by "closure." Actually, just about every story line has been mostly resolved, with a few blank spaces put in occasionally for future expansion.

Zendikar, though? That's just ridiculous. That's like starting the Weatherlight Saga then going off and doing something else for a while because, well, eh. We'll see what Ravnica does to resolve that particular storyline...

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1 year ago  ::  May 06, 2012 - 12:04PM #190
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May 6, 2012 -- 8:26AM, KeeperofManyNames wrote:

It depends on what you mean by "closure." Actually, just about every story line has been mostly resolved, with a few blank spaces put in occasionally for future expansion.




Kamigawa just plops Toshi in the middle of Dominaria, and leaves the fate of Kiku a big blank (she dissolves into shadows and that's it). Ravnica intentionally leaves Niv-mizzet's fate as a mystery. Mirrodin leaves us with Geth, Glissa, and Slobad waiting around with the Mirari waiting.

Not knowing what happened to major characters isn't something that is unique to modern stories, we are often left with loose ends.

Zendikar, though? That's just ridiculous. That's like starting the Weatherlight Saga then going off and doing something else for a while because, well, eh. We'll see what Ravnica does to resolve that particular storyline...




Ravnica probably won't do anything to ressolve the Zendikar storyline. It will be ressolved when we return to Zendikar next (much like Mirrodin's storyline will probably be ressolved when we return to Mirrodin).

It is very different comparing Zendikar where we will clearly go back to that storyline, and something like Kamigwa where that storyline is wrapped up. We have very little hope of finding out what happened to Kiku.

I don't know, complaining that Zendikar doesn't give you closure is like complaining that the first book in a trilogy doesn't give you closure.

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