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1 year ago ::
Apr 06, 2012 - 11:28AM
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Frankly, I don't know how you got to be a "Rules Adviser" since it doesn't seem like you understand these basic concepts - the difference between triggered abilities and activated abilities, or reveal vs look.
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1 year ago ::
Apr 06, 2012 - 2:12PM
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2. I disagree with Cyphern here - I think you can look at how ever many Cards are left in your Library .
Not that this definitively solves the matter, but magic online sides with you. I tested this out, and it does allow you to look at fewer than 5 cards.
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1 year ago ::
Apr 06, 2012 - 2:24PM
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I think the rule you posted seems to lock it in. I wonder if we need an [O] ruling?
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1 year ago ::
Apr 06, 2012 - 2:43PM
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Note that "adviser" and "advisor" are both correct spellings of the same word. Not only that, but "adviser" is the more correct usage in the U.S. whereas "advisor" is more common in Britain. Look in a dictionary.
God, you people are INSANE!
Actually, "advisor" is a title, "adviser" is the person who has given advice to an "advisee" (similar relation as employee vs employer)
Also, it helps to be insane in order to understand the Comp Rules. 
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1 year ago ::
Apr 06, 2012 - 2:54PM
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I agree with cyphern, because of rule 608.2d. 608.2d. If an effect of a spell or ability offers any choices other than choices already made as part of casting the spell, activating the ability, or otherwise putting the spell or ability on the stack, the player announces these while applying the effect. The player can't choose an option that's illegal or impossible, with the exception that having library with no cards in it doesn't make drawing a card an impossible action (see rule 120.3).
Rule 120.3 explains that you can still choose to draw a number of cards even if you have less than that in your library. There is no such rule for looking at cards.
If you have less than five cards in your library, you cannot choose to look at the top five.
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1 year ago ::
Apr 06, 2012 - 11:33PM
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If you have less than 5 cards but can draw 5 cards, then I don't see why it wouldn't be the same for looking. Seems like the way it's handled on MTGO is the correct way to do it.
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1 year ago ::
Apr 06, 2012 - 11:57PM
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If you have less than 5 cards but can draw 5 cards, then I don't see why it wouldn't be the same for looking. Seems like the way it's handled on MTGO is the correct way to do it.
Except the rules excerpt in the post above you disagrees with you. The only impossible action you're allowed to take is to draw a card from an empty library. The trigger here is written as "You may X. If you do..." You can't perform part of an action and have it count as "if you do." For example, if I had an effect say "At the beginning of your upkeep, you may sacrifice five creatures. If you do..." I wouldn't be able to sacrifice four creatures and get the rest of the effect. This is the case with Call to the Kindred.
The key thing about KttK is that it's a choice the player has to make, not a mandatory action ("Look at/reveal the top five cards..."). You can't choose to look at the top five cards of your library if only four are there.
It's also important to note that the rules trump MTGO, not the other way around. How MTGO handles the situation doesn't have much to do with whether that's intended.
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