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1 year ago ::
Mar 28, 2012 - 11:15PM
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So I was just lookin over the reserved list and came across some of the good ol' fashioned hate cards. I understand why they discontinued printing these kinds of hate cards, but I can't help feel how incredibly cool they were... and could be. Let's take a few hypothetical for-instances: The Unlocked Eye Legendary Artifact ~ enters the battlefield tapped.  ,  , exile ~: Exile all permanents with a Zendikar, Worldwake and Rise of the Eldrazi expansion symbol except for basic lands. Activate this ability only any time you could cast a sorcery. Mythic Hall of the Praetors Legendary Artifact ~ enters the battlefield tapped.  ,  , exile ~: Exile all permanents with a Scars of Mirrodin, Mirrodin Besieged and New Phyrexia expansion symbol except for basic lands. Activate this ability only any time you could cast a sorcery. Mythic Hellvault Unsealed Legendary Artifact ~ enters the battlefield tapped.  ,  , exile ~: Exile all permanents with a Innistrad, Dark Ascension and Avacyn Restored expansion symbol except for basic lands. Activate this ability only any time you could cast a sorcery. Mythic These cards could easily be banned in Block Constructed, where they would essentially be colorless Apocalypse s (even in Standard, where they would be half as good). They're a total of ten mana to cast an activate over the course of at least two turns, stamped on a legendary permanent that taps and exiles as part of its activation (meaning if you can keep it from untapping or can Stifle the trigger, you've as good as dealt with it), so I don't feel that they're undercosted. The fact that they only hit a single block's worth of permanents severely limits their usefulness in any older formats (where, lets face it, they'd be unplayable) or casual (where you're bound to find a wide mix of cards). They're immensely splashy, flavorful mythics that certain casual players would absolutely love (I can even see these wrecking certain n00bz' metas... but only as much as Wrath of God ever wrecked anything). I have no delusions that cards like this aren't coming back, but I was curious about everybody else's thoughts. Would you like it if they added an extra mythic to every last set that basically followed the above formula? Would this, as I imagine it would, appeal to (certain) casual players? Would it, in essence, be worth printing?
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Before they banned the format out of existence, I was a proud supporter of Modern.
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1 year ago ::
Mar 28, 2012 - 11:19PM
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The phyrexian one should destroy all permanents with the mirran watermark
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1 year ago ::
Mar 29, 2012 - 7:01AM
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Makes From the Vault, Duel Decks etcetera functionally different.
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1 year ago ::
Mar 29, 2012 - 7:10AM
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One problem -- After a sufficient length of time has passed, players forget what the symbol for a given expansion set might be.
Another problem is that they're all the same. It would be more interesting if they did something thematically appropriate, or had an ability word associated with their block (landfall, metalcraft, etc.) that provided some additional benefit.
It also gets tangled when you consider multiple blocks that have taken place on the same plane -- Mirrodin and Mirrodin Besieged, for the most obvious example.
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1 year ago ::
Mar 29, 2012 - 7:34AM
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'Zeeky Boogie Doog' -  Sorcery Destroy all permanents without a silver border except for basic lands. Hurloon Minotaur is 'high tier'.
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1 year ago ::
Mar 29, 2012 - 9:12AM
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Makes From the Vault, Duel Decks etcetera functionally different.
I suppose you're right. There can be solutions for that, though.
Apocalypse Vault
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, , exile ~: Exile all permanents with a From the Vaults expansion symbol except for basic lands. Activate this ability only any time you could cast a sorcery. Mythic
One problem -- After a sufficient length of time has passed, players forget what the symbol for a given expansion set might be.
This, at least, could actually be solved with reminder text, like Phyrexian mana. They would have the visual reminder of exactly what symbols count for each of the cards.
Another problem is that they're all the same. It would be more interesting if they did something thematically appropriate, or had an ability word associated with their block (landfall, metalcraft, etc.) that provided some additional benefit.
I think that it would seem exceedingly odd for them to have secondary functions like you describe. I'm not saying that they shouldn't, making them distinct from one another is extremely desirable since their templating is identitcal, I'm just unsure how to incorporate your suggestion with the cards as-is.
It also gets tangled when you consider multiple blocks that have taken place on the same plane -- Mirrodin and Mirrodin Besieged, for the most obvious example.
I don't think that that's much of a problem. You could have something like Mycosinth Corruption for Mirrodin 1.0 and the aforementioned Hall of the Praetors for Mirrodin 2.0.
Hmmm....
There seems to be a simpler means of executing this idea than I've been going about. What if they were more all-encompassing, like World-Bottling Kit , and there was one for From the Vaults, one for Blocks (where you name a block and it affects cards from the sets within that block), one for Duel Decks, one for Premium Decks, one for Core Sets and one for misc promos and stand alone sets (basically everything not already covered). That would be six cards instead of however many others it would require and wouldn't leave out any expansion symbols.
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1 year ago ::
Mar 29, 2012 - 11:28AM
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I don't know if this point has been raised yet (I gave a cursory glance and no one seemed to have touched on it), but it really interferes with the secondary market. Staples printed in multiple sets with multiple symbols will see one of their versions increase in prize if the other is threatened by this kind of cards. For example, a hypothetical card that hits Ravnica block would make the Judge promo Dark Confidant be even more valuable. Furthermore, having to track down and think about each of your card's expansion symbol is adding an extra layer of complexity to deckbuilding. Just imagine if one had to think about the correct number of Ghost Quarter s, for example, and then have to decide how many from Dissension and how many from Innistrad. To think about it, I see little purpose in these cards. In Legacy, Vintage and Modern they're either too weak to make an impact or powerful enough to make you track down the "correct" version of some cards, which is obnoxious. In Standard and Block, they're insane bombs and probably need to be insta-banned, which is never good. In casual decks, from EDH to others, they can incidentally destroy permanents, but they're very hard to control and seem subpar. As they are, I don't think they have a place beyond Un-sets, and even there they're just a cute novelty.
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