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1 year ago ::
Mar 28, 2012 - 12:48PM
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Nov 10, 2011
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1 year ago ::
Mar 28, 2012 - 1:00PM
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Date Joined:
Feb 20, 2009
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Looks slick except for the 20 lands, I'de go 24. You really wanna hit 3 or 4 land drops consistantly and you can't do that reliably without a few more lands.
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1 year ago ::
Mar 28, 2012 - 2:53PM
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Date Joined:
Oct 11, 2007
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Emrakul, Ulamog, and Kozilek don't get their "when you cast" triggers when they are put directly onto the battlefield by Piper/Defense/Trap. Emrakul's probably still worth including, but the other two are rather underwhelming without them.
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1 year ago ::
Mar 28, 2012 - 6:43PM
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Date Joined:
Nov 10, 2011
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i know the when you cast triggers don't go off, but i lack the knowledge to know of any other fatties to toss in to be honest.
i included them honestly for the recycling capability.
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1 year ago ::
Mar 28, 2012 - 7:40PM
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Date Joined:
Dec 12, 2007
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The bigest problem with the piper is she is very fragile. You need some way to protect her from three main things. Direct targetting, indirect removal, and global removal. aceticism  is probably best for direct targetting. Lightning greaves will not cut it. If they know you have the piper they will hold mana for instant removal. Some form of recursion is probably the best bet for the other 2. eternal witness  or regrowth  You probably only want to run a couple of aceticism in a deck which means you also want to run either black or white tutors to find them. Same thing with the greaves. I would run two of both. Put that all together and you look more like this, 4 birds of paradise  4 elvish harbinger  4 eternal witness 4 elvish piper  2 asceticism  2 lightning greaves  3 enlightened tutor  3 regrowth 20 forest  3 treetop village  Oh and run scroll rack  instead of the tops since you can tutor it and recurse it. This also lets you use offcolor creatures(defense of the heart does this as well) 2 scroll rack 1 vigor  1 blightsteel colossus  1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn  1 Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre  1 Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur  1 Iona, Shield of Emeria  1 Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger  1 Sheoldred, Whispering One  1 Damia, Sage of Stone 
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1 year ago ::
Mar 28, 2012 - 7:58PM
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Date Joined:
Sep 16, 2009
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Asceticism  is too expensive IMO, considering its spot on the curve means you're going to have to play it before Piper (and then still hope they don't have non-targetted removal), and 12 win-cons is insane for most decks. 6 fatties and some tutoring (ie. Fauna Shaman  ) would do much better. Really, the best thing for Elvish Piper  is having a static ability that gives haste. As far as I'm aware, the only mono-green option you could go with would be Concordant Crossroads  which will also help your opponents, but will seriously help your piper and your fatties. If you're willing to splash red, there are some more options: Anger  (works very well with Fauna Shaman ) Emblem of the Warmind  (cheap and one-sided, but vulnerable to 2-for-1s) Fervor  Fires of Yavimaya  (one of the best options for haste; cheap and with a relavent sac ability) Madrush Cyclops  (no real benefit over the G/R/GR options, and requires a black splash - not recommended) Urabrask the Hidden  (a second decent ability, but ruins the curve so not recommended) Of course, haste isn't the only way you can go, but it does mean if they aren't playing counterspells and don't remove the haste-provider then at 5 mana you will get a fatty out.
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1 year ago ::
Mar 28, 2012 - 8:26PM
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Date Joined:
Dec 12, 2007
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Really think asceticim is the way to go. Mana is not really the problem when you are running 4 birds and 4 harbingers anyway. If the greaves work you also may not even have the mana to pay the one green anyway to use it that turn. Asceticism is also very useful for protecting the fatties once you have one out. You should be looking for this anyway, 1- forest, bird 2- forest, harbinger with bird mana 3- forest (looking at 5 mana) See this seets you up for 5 mana on turn 3 but no greaves or ascetism on the field. What is clear is that with neither out yet you do not want to bring out a piper. So this is the perfect time to summon either a greaves or the asceticism. Assuming you did not crack hand with accelleration you are using turn one and 2 to set up the board for the summoning of a greaves to both summon and use a piper in a single turn then recur it after they kill it (well after the horse has already left the barn) 1- green/white dual, tutor to top deck a greaves 2- summon the greaves 3- harbinger 4- summon and crack a piper with the greaves for a fatty. If I was making such a deck for real it would probably include real black/green/white duals, include the black tutors as well.( vampiric tutor  and demonic tutro  and probably green suns and the dryads for additional accelleration and early defense against aggro rushes. 4 birds of paradise 4 elvish harbinger 4 eternal witness 4 elvish piper 1 vigor 1 blightsteel colossus 1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn 1 Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre 1 Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur 1 Iona, Shield of Emeria 1 Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger 1 Sheoldred, Whispering One 1 Damia, Sage of Stone 2 enlightened tutor 2 regrowth 2 lightning greaves 1 green sun's zenith  1 scroll rack 1 vampiric tutor 1 demonic tutor  1 asceticism 4 forest 4 murmuring bosk  4 bayou  4 savannah  4 dryad arbor  4 treetop village
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1 year ago ::
Mar 28, 2012 - 8:37PM
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Date Joined:
Sep 16, 2009
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If you're looking to go with Vampiric Tutor  and Demonic Tutor  then really you're going too hardcore and outside the realms of casual. You don't need such powerful cards to make a deck casually competitive, and it just ruins the fun for the rest of the playgroup when those cards tip the scale too much (I hate when my friend plays Balance  in his otherwise perfectly competitive Defense of the Heart  deck, as everyone knows that at 2 mana it's just way too good, and if he actually wants that sort of effect there are much fairer variants for casual play - like Planar Cleansing  or Restore Balance  ). In any case - the only arguments as for why Asceticism would be better than a haste-giver would be: 1. Protecting the haste giver (not an issue if you go the enchantment route/Anger route) 2. Protecting the fatty too While I'll concede that point 2 is indeed a... point, I'll also point out that most fatties either have innate survivability (ie. Emrakul, the Aeons Torn , Woodfall Primus  ), or offer good card advantage just by entering the battlefield (ie. Primeval Titan  , Admonition Angel  ). The 'mana' argument doesn't really hold, as whatever cards you can play to get out Asceticism, you'll get out one of the haste-givers earlier. Personally though, I'd always go the Quicksilver Amulet  route, but that's just me.
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