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1 year ago  ::  Mar 27, 2012 - 4:57PM #1
Garmichael
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This thread is for discussion of this week's Building on a Budget, which goes live Wednesday morning on magicthegathering.com.
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1 year ago  ::  Mar 27, 2012 - 9:03PM #2
Qmark
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Faithless Looting is a card red has needed since Wheel was dragged out back and shot.
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1 year ago  ::  Mar 27, 2012 - 9:18PM #3
Mouthsmasher
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Mar 27, 2012 -- 9:03PM, Qmark wrote:

Faithless Looting is a card red has needed since Wheel was dragged out back and shot.


lol!

I'm a fan of both cards, and I think they fit well in red.



   
   
   

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1 year ago  ::  Mar 27, 2012 - 10:06PM #4
Mandroid
Date Joined: Mar 14, 2012
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This deck looks like fun, but perhaps needs smallpox if it suffers against creature strategies (and smpx would be way better without vivid lands really).  Rise/fall should really go, it's the weakest card against aggro, which is the hardest matchup it seems.  Other than that, I dunno.  Nyxathid seems good, wee all know Tarmgoyf is nuts.  Maybe cut Shriekmaw for doom blade/go for the thorat if rise/fall is getting cut, since you have almost no instants and instants are important for sneaking spells by control players.  Also,  Distress should maybe be  mind wrench depending on the dominance of tempered steel against your deck and in your metagame. Wrench is a pauper staple because 2 mana discard 2 cards is crazy.

Also, why no sideboarding?  I noticed you haven't done it other times in the past too.  It's quite important really, critical to the game play at tournaments.  Not sure about the numbers but I think at FNM people play more sideboarded games than non-sideboarded.  I just think your column would be more interesting to read if it had the sideboarding aspect really.
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1 year ago  ::  Mar 27, 2012 - 11:07PM #5
Zindaras
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Please discuss this deck again next week and go into more depth on matchups, sideboarding, budget/non-budget alternatives for cards and general playstyle. I found this deck to be very interesting and I would like to see more of it, not some random other new deck.

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Zindaras' meta is like a fossil, ancient and its secrets yet to be uncovered. Only men of yore, long dead, knew of it.

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1 year ago  ::  Mar 28, 2012 - 12:22AM #6
DeEer
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Mar 27, 2012 -- 11:07PM, Zindaras wrote:

Please discuss this deck again next week and go into more depth on matchups, sideboarding, budget/non-budget alternatives for cards and general playstyle. I found this deck to be very interesting and I would like to see more of it, not some random other new deck.



i totally agree
i would like to see much more of this deck in terms of matches, sideboarding, alternatives, and also i did like see why the reanimation version wasnt working in some matches.

anyway the decks looks like a lot fun to play. 

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1 year ago  ::  Mar 28, 2012 - 12:33AM #7
branewalker
Date Joined: Nov 3, 2010
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Distress is a nice budget Thoughtseize replacement. I would play four copies of Thoughtseize if it wasn't so hard to acquire, but the current split of discard still plays very well.


Duress and Despise round out the deck's targeted discard. It's important that you fire off one of these before your opponent gets to turn three.



Buh? At least one of those needs to be Inquisition of Kozilek. With the exception of Karn, generally the cards being cast before turn 3 cost less than 3 mana thus making Inquisition a good choice. In fact, I've noticed many players opting for Inquisition over Thoughtseize when they had the option to play either, because fetch, crack, take two, Thoughseize you, feels bad. You just lava-axed yourself. Unless they are a combo deck with imminent ability to win, the life loss from Thoughtseize is relevant in Modern.

And the converted mana cost restriction of Inquisition is less relevant.

And as long as you're juicing up the mana with vivids, how about Castigate over Distress? Modern doesn't contain as many broken graveyard strategies as Legacy, but with Lingering Souls, Snapcaster Mage, Gifts Ungiven (and its partner in crime Unburial Rites), Proclamation of Rebirth, Reveillark, and so on, it's a vertiable Extra Value Menu of card advantage. Shutting that off is nice.
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1 year ago  ::  Mar 28, 2012 - 1:03AM #8
dndgruppo
Date Joined: Jul 3, 2009
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Nice deck!
I would also like to see an evolution, or more matchups/sideboarding next week! More matchups would help us see the value of the Faithless looting, that in these two examples you do not seem to (ab)use so much.

I wonder how easy is casting a first turn discard spells with so many CIPT lands? Dropping some in favor of more swamps seems like an idea to test...

I also second the Inquisition of K. over Distress seeing how most of the time you make someone discard a <4 cmc card.



 
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1 year ago  ::  Mar 28, 2012 - 5:27AM #9
SgtSwaggr
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Very interesting deck! I see JVL is staying much more budget than previous Modern decks. Please do more matchups, variations, weaknesses/strenghts of this deck next week! I would like to see several weeks devoted to one, developed deck, than a random, underdeveloped deck every week.
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1 year ago  ::  Mar 28, 2012 - 7:26AM #10
DragonMudd
Date Joined: Feb 5, 2003
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This is a super awesome deck. I have also loved the Specter since day 1, but never had any fuzzy feelings for Faithless Looting before now. It's such an elegant synergy with all the discard and unearth and everything else... I would love to see you keep this deck around and highlight it some more.
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