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1 year ago  ::  Mar 15, 2012 - 10:31AM #11
PirateAmmo
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Mar 15, 2012 -- 8:12AM, Chaikov wrote:

You say Conspiracy will re-dragonize a de-animated-re-animated Nexus
but it has been said elsewhere that
Olivia 's second ability* would fail to re-vampirize a de-animated-re-animated Gideon .

Why the difference?


The difference is Olivia creates a continuous effect generated by the resolution of a spell or ability as in rule 611.2 and Conspiracy creates a continuous effect generated by its static ability as in rule 611.3.

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1 year ago  ::  Mar 15, 2012 - 10:46AM #12
Chaikov
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Mar 15, 2012 -- 10:31AM, PirateAmmo wrote:

The difference is Olivia creates a continuous effect generated by the resolution of a spell or ability as in rule 611.2 and Conspiracy creates a continuous effect generated by its static ability as in rule 611.3.




...thus Olivia's effect cannot be dependent because of 611.2c! Thanks!


611.2c (..) the set of objects it affects is determined when that continuous effect begins. After that point, the set won’t change...

613.7a An effect is said to “depend on” another if (...) applying the other would change (...) what it applies to,...




«Dystocracy : A system of government in which corrupt leadership colludes with dishonest bankers and greedy elites in order to ensure that productive members of society –people who actually do useful work- bear the greatest share of taxes while gaining the least benefit possible.»

Sounds familiar?
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1 year ago  ::  Mar 17, 2012 - 5:07AM #13
DocDoom
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Ah, so its One-shot vs. Continuous - like Glorious Anthem vs. Glorious Charge , yes?
[c]Forest[/c] gives you Forest
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1 year ago  ::  Mar 17, 2012 - 6:25AM #14
Chaikov
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Mar 17, 2012 -- 5:07AM, DocDoom wrote:

Ah, so its One-shot vs. Continuous - like Glorious Anthem vs. Glorious Charge , yes?




Not quite.

Both these cards produce continuous effects: they both have a duration.

Anthem's effect lasts for as long as Anthem is on the Field;
Charge's effect lasts until end of turn.

The essential difference is in which objects are affected by those effects:
Anthem's effect affects creatures you control at any given time: 
get a creature - it'll get affected. Lose a creature - it'll cease to be affected;
Charge's effect affects creatures you control as it resolves:
those creatures will remain affected, even if an opponent steals them. New creatures you'd get won't be affected.

«Dystocracy : A system of government in which corrupt leadership colludes with dishonest bankers and greedy elites in order to ensure that productive members of society –people who actually do useful work- bear the greatest share of taxes while gaining the least benefit possible.»

Sounds familiar?
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1 year ago  ::  Mar 17, 2012 - 1:07PM #15
Zokorad
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1: True Conviction still enters play but you may put the Reactor on Mimic Vat Afterwards.
2: Yes
Blocks I liked: (+1)

Invasion
Onslaught
Mirrodin
Time Spiral
Lorwyn
Zendikar
Return to Ravnica

Blocks I disliked: (-1)

Oddesy
Champions of Kamigawa
Time Echoes
Innistrad
Any Released Blocks not listed in this Sig

Blocks I neutralize: (+/-0)

Ravnica City of Guilds
Shadowmoor
Shards of Alara
Scars of Mirrodin



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1 year ago  ::  Mar 17, 2012 - 3:12PM #16
Chaikov
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Mar 17, 2012 -- 1:07PM, Zokorad wrote:

1: True Conviction still enters play but you may put the Reactor on Mimic Vat Afterwards.
2: Yes




Duh?

«Dystocracy : A system of government in which corrupt leadership colludes with dishonest bankers and greedy elites in order to ensure that productive members of society –people who actually do useful work- bear the greatest share of taxes while gaining the least benefit possible.»

Sounds familiar?
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1 year ago  ::  Mar 17, 2012 - 9:18PM #17
PirateAmmo
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Mar 17, 2012 -- 1:07PM, Zokorad wrote:

1: True Conviction still enters play but you may put the Reactor on Mimic Vat Afterwards.


This is not true. In this case, the controller of Mimic Vat has the opportunity to imprint Academy Rector before the Rector's ability resolves. If Academy Rector is imprinted, it will not be able to exile itself when its ability resolves, so it will not search for an enchantment, and True Conviction will not enter the battlefield.

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8 months ago  ::  Oct 05, 2012 - 11:59PM #18
ChidyDog
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follow up question: Academy Rector is out, then I were to clone/copy her in some way say via Phantasmal Image / Phyrexian Metamorph ; would the Rector Image/Rector Metamorph clone be able to tutor for enchantment like the original?  i.e. is the clone version still "Academy Rector" when it goes to the graveyard to be exile by the ability or would it be the Image/Metamorph instead, thus not working?
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8 months ago  ::  Oct 06, 2012 - 12:14AM #19
pitiex
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Oct 5, 2012 -- 11:59PM, ChidyDog wrote:

follow up question: Academy Rector is out, then I were to clone/copy her in some way say via Phantasmal Image / Phyrexian Metamorph ; would the Rector Image/Rector Metamorph clone be able to tutor for enchantment like the original?  i.e. is the clone version still "Academy Rector" when it goes to the graveyard to be exile by the ability or would it be the Image/Metamorph instead, thus not working?


Yes, the clone will have tutor ability like the original Academy Rector .
Next time, please make a new thread instead.

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