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Feb 22, 2012 -- 8:48PM, Youwashock wrote:

I don't know that saying this deck isnt budget is fair.  what truely competitve standard deck is or has been in years?  It seems like ever since the advent of the mythic rare the price of standard decks have just gone through the roof.

The rares in the main board are around 70+ if you go by median price on tcgplayer.

Compare that to any of the top tier decks that at their lowest go for 300+.  So by compariosn when this deck fully bought is around 100, id say thats a budget.

RDW is probably the cheapest thing thats even competitive.  And it still nears 100 at its low end, depending on if you have koths, heros, or if you have the luxury of swords in your side.

The thing is though, my bugdet isnt defined in anyway by competitive decks, so you can compare what you want, its not going to make it more or less budget.

I personly think that JVL is doing a better job on the budget lately, so 1 deck thats a litle more expensive is fine with me, as long its not happening every week. And to be honost i think its R&D that ****ed the price, since the invention of mythics, planeswalkers and 'the new world order', the prices have gone up like hell.  

Feb 23, 2012 -- 3:11AM, GreenBuster wrote:

R&D didn't mess up the price.  The stores and venders messed up the price.  R&D didn't want mythic to be a "higher" rarity but the venders didn't get the memo.  Venders interpreted mythic as a higher rarity and an excuse to drive prices through the roof.

R&Ds intention was expressed in www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.a... .  Also, I do not believe that R&D does not set the price for cards.

Price is not directly controlled by any individual or organization. Price, at least in a free market, is set by Supply and Demand. That is to say, how hard it is to get a copy of a card you want, and how many people want a copy of that card.
Price can, however, be indirectly controlled. Wizards of the Coast controls the Supply through rarities, and by making certain cards better than others, also has a hand in the Demand. The fact is, in the last few years Wizards has been making (most) Mythic Rares just plain better than cards of other rarities, which increases the demand for Mythic Rares, while their supply remains low. The most obvious example, of course, is the $100+ per copy Jace, the Mind Sculptor , which Wizards made so good that it was a four-of in every deck that could play it, but so rare that it took eighty booster packs to get a single copy. They, fortunately, haven't messed up that badly since, but as long as they continue using rarity as an excuse to cross the power level boundary, they're making Mythic Rares more expensive, and more necessary to build competitive decks. The combination of the use of rarity to increase power level, and the focus on designing for Limited-only at the lower rarities, has made it much more difficult to build a deck without the rarest, most expensive cards in the set.
Saying that the stores and venders messed up is folly. If people weren't willing to pay the prices the stores set, then they wouldn't sell the cards and would be forced to drop the price. Also, the price they set isn't based on their perception of how many of a given card they can open; the price they set is based on how many of that card they actually have in stock. Perception of rarity only matters on the micro level, to those who only open a relatively small number of boosters.

Regarding the article you referenced:
Yes, the rarity of a Mythic Rare in a small set is the same as the rarity of a Rare in a large set back when set sizes were bigger. But contrary to what that article would have you believe, the rarity of a Mythic Rare in a large set is rarer than any card has ever been; Both the core set and the timeshifted sheet were exclusively reprinted cards, so there were already copies of those cards in supply.
Also, the problem isn't exclusively rarity, it's also power level. After all, Tarmogoyf was more common than any Mythic Rare these days is, and it was still ridiculously expensive because they made it too good. Rather than learn from that mistake, they've just continued doing it at a higher rarity.

Feb 23, 2012 -- 3:11AM, GreenBuster wrote:

Feb 22, 2012 -- 11:53PM, DeEer wrote:

Feb 22, 2012 -- 8:48PM, Youwashock wrote:

I don't know that saying this deck isnt budget is fair.  what truely competitve standard deck is or has been in years?  It seems like ever since the advent of the mythic rare the price of standard decks have just gone through the roof.

The rares in the main board are around 70+ if you go by median price on tcgplayer.

Compare that to any of the top tier decks that at their lowest go for 300+.  So by compariosn when this deck fully bought is around 100, id say thats a budget.

RDW is probably the cheapest thing thats even competitive.  And it still nears 100 at its low end, depending on if you have koths, heros, or if you have the luxury of swords in your side.

The thing is though, my bugdet isnt defined in anyway by competitive decks, so you can compare what you want, its not going to make it more or less budget.

I personly think that JVL is doing a better job on the budget lately, so 1 deck thats a litle more expensive is fine with me, as long its not happening every week. And to be honost i think its R&D that ****ed the price, since the invention of mythics, planeswalkers and 'the new world order', the prices have gone up like hell.  

R&D didn't mess up the price.  The stores and venders messed up the price.  R&D didn't want mythic to be a "higher" rarity but the venders didn't get the memo.  Venders interpreted mythic as a higher rarity and an excuse to drive prices through the roof.

R&Ds intention was expressed in www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.a... .  Also, I do not believe that R&D does not set the price for cards.

The higher rarity does have some effect on the cards prices. However, the simple fact that there are far fewer of the Mythic Rare is what drives the prices up so much. Wizards had to know this.