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1 year ago  ::  Feb 18, 2012 - 2:20PM #1
MrIndigo
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Date Joined: Mar 27, 2003
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Way back when (Kamigawa-Ravnica Standard), I had a RBW Control deck that won with Enduring Ideal and Firemane Angels. It ended up getting a ridiculous win% online because when Enduring Ideal resolves, you can't lose the game.

The primary reason for that was because of Dovescape , followed by Night of Soul's Betrayal to create a lock on spells, and then Form of the Dragon (+Phyrexian Arena) for CA and to kill/protect from creatures.

I am curious as to whether the upgraded form of this combo, Dovescape + Curse of Death's Hold, coupled with the ability to trump games by tutoring up Volition Reins or Leylines of Void/Sanctity would be viable in Modern. What do you think? Is Aggro just too good for a 7 mana sorcery to resolve?

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1 year ago  ::  Feb 18, 2012 - 10:41PM #2
rougepenguin
Date Joined: May 23, 2010
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I tried making a goofy casual Enduring Ideal modern build. There have been quite a few cards since Kamigawa that give it some real threats. The idea behind mine was to win with Dovescape + Raking Canopy , just because it fit in my colors (G/W), or to fetch a Lucent Liminid and give it Eldrazi Conscription . Paradox Haze is another great tool for the deck too. It was fun and seemed like it had potential, but I scrapped it before I tested it too much for a more competitive deck.
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1 year ago  ::  Feb 20, 2012 - 7:20PM #3
Cyklown
Date Joined: Apr 14, 2008
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It almost has promise, although, like, creatures and stuff.

The lock/infinite with Enduring Ideal/Guile was something I always wanted to build into a multiplayer deck, although I realize that getting to 7 once and then surviving a turn might be easie than casting a pair of 6drops after getting them into your hand.

Apr 16, 2012 -- 9:12PM, Uhhsam wrote:


Luckily, we have stop-having-fun guys to remind us that having anything more than 60 cards in your deck is tantamount to being a rapist and anyone considering it should be strung up by their **** .

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1 year ago  ::  Feb 21, 2012 - 5:52PM #4
Jman22
Date Joined: Mar 12, 2006
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Friend of mine has been messing with it. He even has a Form of the Dragon that says "I'm a Dragoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooon" on it. Or it might be the a's that are repeated. 
But yeah. If you can live long enough the deck wins. But good luck against tron. 
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1 year ago  ::  Feb 22, 2012 - 2:14PM #5
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Maybe run it as u/w for counters?  Also, have a few backup plans in case ideal gets taken out (gideon, for example).

Anyways, I'm not sure how good shutting down noncreature spells really is.  Sure, it can kill combo and stop burn from killing you, but why not just run leyline of sanctity for that?  I'd say your first priority will probably be stopping them from killing you.  Form of the dragon unless you're playing vs faeries or delver, in which case you can fetch teferi's moat.  Once you get form/moat (and leyline if you need it)  out, you're golden.  The only case in which I can see you needing dovescape is if they have enchantment removal, but then you're either about to die to creatures (in which case you'll lose by the time your next turn rolls around anyways) or you're not (in which case you can just tutor up another next turn, or get greater auramancy first.
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Apr 23, 2012 -- 12:20AM, Islands wrote:

It was revealed to me in a dream.  All the cards were in my dream except for three slots which I plugged in as Vault Skirge.

FULL DISCLOSURE:  The dream was post AVR so there was a copy of Slayer's Stronghold.  I decided to keep it pre AVR in my post here.

EDIT: I just remembered.  The Skirges might have been 2x Whipflare and 1x something else, probably War and Peace.

EDIT2:  Currently 4-0 in my first four games with this.  My opponents have been very angry.  I fought off a Wurmcoil from Grixis for six turns before I found my second Dispatch.  Jeez, I can do a lot of damage.

EDIT3: Streak broken.  Lost to an unexpected Overrun.    Cracking a Shrine for 10 wasn't enough.   



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1 year ago  ::  Feb 28, 2012 - 5:50AM #6
igri_is_a_bk
Date Joined: Sep 13, 2008
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You're going to need so much mana if you try to protect the combo with counterspells. Why not use Dis card and Silence instead?


// Lands
4 [ZEN] Marsh Flats
3 [ZEN] Arid Mesa
1 [GP] Godless Shrine
1 [DIS] Hallowed Fountain
1 [RAV] Sacred Foundry
2 [UNH] Plains
4 [WL] Gemstone Mine
3 [AN] City of Brass
1 [GP] Orzhov Basilica
1 [DIS] Azorius Chancery
1 [RAV] Boros Garrison  


// Spells
4 [TSP] Lotus Bloom
4 [FD] Pentad Prism
4 [MR] Seething Song
2 [M11] Crystal Ball
4 [CHK] See Beyond
1 [US] Duress
1 [ROE] Inquisition of Kozilek
4 [M11] Silence
4 [SOK] Enduring Ideal
2 [DIS] Dovescape
2 [CHK] Curse of Death's Hold
2 [SC] Form of the Dragon
1 [SHM] Prison Term
1 [FUT] Lucent Liminid
1 [ROE] Eldrazi Conscription

Sideboard
3 [CHK] Boseiju, Who Shelters All
4 [ZEN] Journey to Nowhere
1 [CHK] Ghostly Prison
2 [M11] Leyline of Sanctity
3 [M11] Leyline of the Void
1 [RAV] Faith's Fetters
1 [SHM] Greater Auramancy

Hm, aggro is going to be tough. Anyways, this is where I'd start.

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